Pacov's place to enjoy the show.

This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Jun 07, 2010

GM-McShane87
Yes we should, I think we've only had 2 and then I saw a replay of your blade of the serpent fire tb which I disagree with so my opinion is based on limited experience. 




Quoting OMG_DD-shred_demon,
reply 1584
Feel free to browse my games list


Nice one http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1405897/player/51161/.  I hope you told Jona he was a noob after this.  And post the replay if you have it please, it would be great to see Jona try to play Oak vs Hemp_boy.



um i only played blade tb once i always play a blood fire tb

also shredy as i keep telling you when i play with you i find it hard to play my best when ive played with other people ive done alot better then i ever had with you

on Jun 07, 2010

OMG_NinkiCZ
All the Koreans moved on to StarCraft.



woot no more koreans

NO ENG::

on Jun 07, 2010

Pacov, I honestly don't think you really need a write up on the standards each tier looks for. Once we split the tiers up a bit and shuffle people around I think they will define themselves.

The only thing I think tier 1 should be is " THE MAGIC FACTOR" which makes them stand above the tier 1.5 people.

on Jun 07, 2010

agree!

 

nominating MosteM for Tier 2 (LE)

on Jun 07, 2010

Boxxy_Koush

he usually joins me, he yells "Down with the boxxy menance!" and leaves.

This made me lol 

I've converted to blood fire TB for 2v2s now

Fogive me for my dg build transgressions!!!!!! 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=128355

 

And now for something completely irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW REEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (Jew Reg )

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=128357

 

 

on Jun 07, 2010

Hmm not the replay I wanted Shred but I'll give it a look.  

Also none of my comments have been addressed to you howboutnoo so I don't know why you quoted something I said then responded.

on Jun 07, 2010

the Jona_ one?  I'll have a look tomorrow, not sure I saved that one but I'll look

Found it:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=128361

Yeah, my playing is alright here I think anyway    I remember screwing up at one point because I pushed too far with Renz on the mana side.  Was being too greedy  

We couldn't get ABorn out the hp flag, so we forced him to move by pushing really hard the mana side and from that point on things went more our way.

 

on Jun 07, 2010

Boxxy_Koush
Howboutnoooo for tier 3!

One of these things is not like the other 
One of these things just doesn't belong, 

Can you tell which thing is not like the others 
By the time I finish my song? 

on Jun 07, 2010

OMG_Splitshadow



Quoting Boxxy_Koush,
reply 1576
Howboutnoooo for tier 3!




One of these things is not like the other 
One of these things just doesn't belong, 

Can you tell which thing is not like the others 
By the time I finish my song? 


lol that was a favour mod game so it dont count

on Jun 07, 2010

Pacov, I honestly don't think you really need a write up on the standards each tier looks for. Once we split the tiers up a bit and shuffle people around I think they will define themselves.

See, I don't know about that.  At least the way I think, clearly defining categories is a good starting point.  I suppose throwing people into categories does define them to some degree, but then it quickly becomes abstract. 

on Jun 07, 2010


lol that was a favour mod game so it dont count

My first favor mod game online. You guys had huge advantage and I really dont know why did you concede.

Sedna was our prime target all the game, so its not really his fault.

on Jun 07, 2010

If the categories are defined, the categorization is more standardized and static.

If people are just grouped by skill, the tiers will be relative and shifting based on the skill level of the players on the list. The latter strategy is a much more arbitrary system, but it has its advantages.

It is much easier to say person x is better than person y through a few games, but if you have descriptions of the tiers, it's much harder to move people around and add new people.

on Jun 07, 2010

Fair points split.  If it was just my list, though, it would have clearly defined tiers, the list wouldn't look "quite" like what koush posted, etc... if its pacovs list.  And, it really hasn't been that.  Its always been a semi community owned list, semi accurate based on how much I cared to update, how much input I was willing to accept, and so on.  In short, not a perfect system and it really will continue to be a little like that as long as I'm running the show. So, I says to myself - should a list like this keep going on?

Pros:

  • Gets competition going in our community
  • Provides peer feedback (you think you are great, everyone else thinks you are meh - hmmm)
  • Hopefully provides a better tracking of player skill than the ladder
  • People are apparently really interested in talking about this stuff (1602 replies as of now)

Cons:

  • The list really becomes biased pretty quickly
  • People get worked up about this BS and do take offense (which leads to a bit of hostility from time to time) - do we want to invite more drama?
  • (For whoever owns the list) - its alot of updating if you are going to keep it accurate.

Anyway, I honestly don't care if the list keeps going or not. I'd participate some if it did, but I think its time to turn the list over to someone else.  The question is, who would be good for the job?  Ideally, the person wouldn't be terribly biased (I don't know many people like this), would be willing to make frequent updates (I know a few that wouldn't mind), and would have to have the communities backing (because without any community backing ever, this list would have just been the rantings of pacov - or just a list where I say blahblahblah are great and these guys are meh). 

on Jun 08, 2010

You can give it to Koush so no one cares about it anymore.

on Jun 08, 2010

This thing is done and soo out of context that it has no relevance anymore.

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