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Published on May 15, 2011 By pacov In Demigod

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Background

Back quite some time ago when we were talking about tournaments… WAAYYYYY back when I had that oh so very annoying thread about DG players – tier 1, tier 2 and those to be avoided (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/372184)…

… I had an idea.  What if we had a tournament where every player was teamed up with every other player.  This means, the tournament will really be about individual excellence.  We mix and match teams.  You don’t try to form team super perfect – you get an assigned teammate that changes each round.  For every win, each player on the team gets 1 point.  If you lose, you get nothing.  We do this until we go through the combinations.  The winner is the person with the most points as they were clearly the most effective on each team.   In the event of a tie… well… I’ll figure something out.  So, as you can see, this tournament is going to be structured VERY differently than our previous ones.  If all is well with the brackets, you will play on the same team with every single person exactly 1 time.

The Brackets

Although it probably doesn’t sound all that challenging to pull off, we actually had quite a bit of difficulty coming up with a decent bracket that would enable us to have the tournament they way we wanted it.  Thankfully, sledge was kind enough to help out and take the time to develop the brackets so I wouldn’t be doing all of the heavy lifting here.  Please give him some karma if you think of it.  At any rate, here’s a link to the brackets.  Please take a look to help get a better understanding of how things will work.  https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An02sqdF5v-EdG1hLTI1d3prLWpnWUpSRnNrbG9RMFE&hl=en_US&authkey=CLWZtdgO 

Be aware that we will have EXACTLY 16 players in this tournament.  In the event that we only have 15 players, we will add in 1 enhanced AI, etc

What is the schedule?

We should spend some time discussing this.  Technically, we could start immediately.  As you can see from the brackets, all you need is 3 other folks online at the same time to get a game in.  I propose that we setup some specifics dates and times that will be considered game days.  We can all show up during this time windows, pair up, and get some games in. 


What are the rules?
  • The tournament is 2v2 and is invitation only 
  • The map is cataract using default settings (AI settings will be on low gold/xp and high HP)
  • When the brackets are created (this happens right at the start of the tourney), the team that is on the left side of the bracket will be on the light side and the team on the right side of the bracket will be on the dark side
  • Each team may declare 1 of the opposing team's Demigods and the player that must use that Demigod. 
  • The team on light will tell a specific player on the dark side what dg they are to use.  Then, the team on dark will tell one player on the light side what Demigod they must use.  Then, the other player on the light team may pick any Demigod they want (no doubles).  And last, the remaining player on the dark team will pick any Demigod they want (no doubles)
  • All players must use uberfix 1.05 (you can download it here:  http://www.box.net/shared/qf7lhj1zjl)
  • Replays for all games must be uploaded to the Jee site by someone on the winning team.  This can easily be done when you report your results in on the Jee site.

 


What is the prize?
  • 1st place – $20 – pacov appears to be the only sponsor.  If you’d like to kick in some prize money, pm me.

Payouts will be delivered by PayPal.  If you don’t have a PayPal account, get one.  If you can’t do that, then you will not receive a payout for the cash prizes if you win.  If you do win, provide me with your PayPal addresses via pm on these forums and I will get you sorted in short order.  If the needed PayPal email address has not been provided in 1 week, the prize money is forfeit.  Cash is rendered via PayPal in US dollars.  If you are from another country, the conversion is provided by PayPal.  Any fee charged by PayPal will come directly out of your winnings (so its possible the winners could receive less than the listed payout).


How do I report my wins?
  1. This section needs updated – all wins should be reported via replays on jeeplays

 


Disqualifications

Thankfully, we have not had a need to disqualify any teams yet during our tournaments, but here are the ground rules.

  1. Intentionally desyncing a game will result in a forfeit.  If you believe this has occurred, send me a copy of your DemigodLog.txt file.  I’ll request some additional files if needed.  Hopefully we can continue to keep this nonsense out of our tournaments going forward.
  2. If you have not played at least 1 game within the first week of the tournament, you can be dropped and replaced by another player.
  3. If you have not completed your games in a reasonable amount of time, you can be DQ’d

Comments (Page 1)
on May 15, 2011

NT

on May 15, 2011

I have always wanted to play with people like Renz in a tourney instead of playing vs them. MORE than likely ill have a good enough internet connection to actual play in a tourney sooner than later. So I am all for another tourney. Sign me UP

on May 15, 2011

Cool, cow.  But I would like to hear your idea on how we'd do it.  Do folks get to pick their own dgs or does the opposing team get to?  I think the opposing team picking will give us the best idea of the tier 1's (and create some crazy matchups), but I think folks will be against it some. 

on May 15, 2011

I am all for mixing shit up, let the other team pick! More often then naught I see this resulting in mirror matches of the weirdest degree like reg, da or sed, qot. I think these matches will be fun and put players out of their comfort zones. I would also prefer 2v2 matches because they are truly the most unforgiving in DG.

on May 15, 2011

sounds fun

on May 15, 2011

From my point of view Cow mentioned the most important and first to decide point here. I know I am still a new player and here and then I hear "oh he is still noob" or "you cannot judge that as you dont have enough games yet". In preparing for the tournament I watched every replay of every player I could get a hand on (thanks Zen_God) to watch them play. I learned a bunch, but as I alread mentioned in Zen_Gods replay thread I also saw some other very interesting things. All those players (ok most of them) that you guys consider as great are great when managing their DG. They are not flawless, which gave me some hope and also do mistakes but overall they are great players. 

 

You can flame me all you want and I doubt I will completely explain this statement but I state that a lot of great players out there do not know the difference between a 2v2 and a 3v3. Most of you play a 3v3 strategy and do some major mistakes in 2v2. The difference from a strategy/teamplay point of view is huge between 2v2 and 3v3 and I am talking specific about cataract as on other maps this is another story.

 

So decide first if its going to be 2v2 or 3v3. In 3v3 I think you will find the player that is best in DG control. In 2v2 you will find the player that knows how to handle a DG great and understands the deeper strategy of an overall match. Both would be interesting to know.

 

Besides that to have every player play every possible combination of teams will be huge and impossible in my eyes. Imagine only 10 players sign up and you only play 2v2. Thats 9 teams everyone would have to play in. That alone would mean 45 games in the tournament. If you plan to play EVERY possible combination than its being on 9 different teams playing each combination of the other 8 players (28) which brings me to (hope I calced that correct) 1260 games total in the tournament. I guess everyone agrees that this will be hard to do.

 

I seriously like the idea though that the other team picks your DG. Not only because you see how good players peform with a DG they dont know that well but also because it shows how you manage to decide with your just assigned new team mate what the other team should play and your strategy behind the pick. That would add another skill level.

on May 15, 2011

Sounds fun, probably we'll need to think quite a bit to make this work smoothly. Few things that i'd like to add on.

1- The players that join the tournament is bit problematic, if a player or players with significantly lower skill joins the tournament (aka noobish) it wouldn't be possible to win a game with those. So there should be be some sort of restriction, i don't if it would be ethic though.

2-I think when we came up with number of matches that is going to be played, in order to have variety we should allow each player to play a dg limited number of times. Let's say there will be 20 games played and there are 10 dgs. Each player can use a dg two times throughout the tournament.

3- Once again, to have more variety i recommend that we play different types of games. 1v1 and 2v2 on Prison(I think on cataract 1v1 and 2v2 doesn't work properly) and 3v3 on cataract.

These are what came to my mind so far, i am leaving US within two months so unless it ends up being after that, i'd most probably join.

 

on May 15, 2011

Side note - perhaps the tournament would be invite only.  Just a thought.  Didn't have a chance to read some of the responses yet.  Be back in a bit.

on May 15, 2011

Now I'd prolly not be around at the right time for a tournament due to time difference between Austalia and USA, but I think to find the best playrt perhaps a more comprehensive score would benefit. I think take into account thier individual achievements similar to favor point scores.How about something like this:

In each game a win is 1 point, and an award is 1/2 point. (damage, flags, cit ups).

Perhaps if you're on the LOSING team and you score and award make it worth 1 point. (if you're winning it's easy to score awards because they snowball, but if you're on the losing team to get an award other than participant means you did well). Obvuiously participant award is worth nothing lol.

Each victory screen shot is kept and at the end of the tournament a primary count is made. (all win points and award points). THEN to decide the overall best player a SECONDARY count is made for some extra points.... what is the secondary score?

For each player 1 extra point is awarded for the following TOURNAMENT TOTALS (all scores added from every game)

Flags captured

Damage

Kills

Least deaths

Grunts

Structures destroyed

Assists

highest total favor score.

So to win the tournament you'll need to be on the winning side for most games. But if you lose a game you may still improve your score by game and tournament performance. - get as many flags as you can, get some damage in before the end, wipe out some creep waves, some games the difference between getting an award is only 1 kill, or 10 grunts, or 1 flag or 500 damage - so your effort should add up to a tournament total IMHO.

Juzt a thought,

 

on May 15, 2011

Orcun-
Sounds fun, probably we'll need to think quite a bit to make this work smoothly. Few things that i'd like to add on.

1- The players that join the tournament is bit problematic, if a player or players with significantly lower skill joins the tournament (aka noobish) it wouldn't be possible to win a game with those. So there should be be some sort of restriction, i don't if it would be ethic though.

2-I think when we came up with number of matches that is going to be played, in order to have variety we should allow each player to play a dg limited number of times. Let's say there will be 20 games played and there are 10 dgs. Each player can use a dg two times throughout the tournament.

3- Once again, to have more variety i recommend that we play different types of games. 1v1 and 2v2 on Prison(I think on cataract 1v1 and 2v2 doesn't work properly) and 3v3 on cataract.

These are what came to my mind so far, i am leaving US within two months so unless it ends up being after that, i'd most probably join.

 
those are some awesome ideas

on May 16, 2011

OK - I'm off to bed in a min, but want to get this rolling.  1st - thx for all the feedback.  I'd like for orcun to be able to participate, so I want you folks to start firing ideas fast and furious.  Eg - we start playing this tourney within the next 1-2 weeks... and those of you that have been around know that we have to talk QUICKLY if that's going to happen.  So, here's some stuff we need to bottom out.

 

  1. Do i change the title of this thread and we just make it an invite only event of those of us that have been along for a bit and we know will be reliable to play asap?  It doesn't have to be a best of the best tourney, but the way I described it sounds fun (where we rotate teams).
  2. Format - is it 1v1, 2v2, 3v3.  If we change formats, how do we make that fair (eg if we do mostly 2v2, then when is it ok to have a 1v1?)
  3. Do we do as I suggested and let the other team pick your dgs?

 

Here's what is set RIGHT NOW (I'll update this list as we sort things out)

  1. The tournament will be about individual excellence.  Players will receive a point for a win and nothing for a loss.  We might expand this to add points for other things, but at its most basic value (and might be what we are going for) all games are worth only 1 point if you win
  2. The winner will be the person with the most points
  3. At the very least, the #1 winner will receive a cash prize

Onto a quick discussion on funding:

I'm personally going to put up some money for the prize.  I'd like others to be willing to contribute.  If no one else is willing, then I think I will charge like a $5 entry fee.  If we make this a private tourney, then I can't pitch this to SD for funding support.  I'm ok with that personally.  Anyway, it would be cool to have some of you folks that care a bit to put in some sort of money - even if its only $10.   I think we can have a lot of fun.  The best part is that your overall score won't be based on your teammates if all goes well.  It will all come down to how well you play, etc. 

edit - and again - if you want to have any meaningful feedback towards the rules, you need to make AT LEAST 1 post here per day.  I'll keep an eye on the thread, but I want this to happen if possible.

on May 16, 2011

I am down for a 2v2 tourney.

Invite only and if they can't make it they can't make it.

Other team picks your characters.

Cataract is the map of choice. 

People I would invite off the top of my head:

  • Darkliath
  • Pappanek
  • Zen_god
  • Jona
  • Mcshane
  • Renz
  • Orcun
  • Mithrandir
  • Hedgie
  • Pacov
  • Kalel
  • TSK-Rin
  • Anataresthekuuk ( I think that his name?)
  • Leon the Professional
  • IamKira
  • Ninki
  • Doggu
  • Soccermom (but he is unavailable for quiet sometime, I think he would do pretty well in this event)
  • OMG_ZEX
  • Maxsteel
  • Nomilarac
  • Teseer (for funzies)
  • Trouser
  • nnnils
  • Mcloover
  • Quincrane
  • CheesusCrust
  • Kickassfreak
  • 1nana
  • 4nana
  • RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 
  • HempRX
  • Saltyclam
  • HempBoy
  • Renzokuken
  • Boxxy_Renz

okey enough of me being silly anyone I missed I am sorry

If a lot of people join this tourney it will take a insanely huge amount of time for every single person to partner up with every other person and play games. I don't exactly know how that would work. I can see that you play one game with someone and than you swap partners and play again, repeat until all combos with those players are done and that would be a "round" 

on May 16, 2011

Invite only is ok, seriously. I would never think that I had a slight chance to win this anyways, so take me as an active advisor here. If you invite the list Zex just posted and want to have this in 1 or 2 weeks, then it will be a very short tournament considering what happened at the last tournament. 

 

I strongly suggest to setup a tournament where playing time is not fixed. Create match-ups and give the participant the freedom to schedule those games on their own, otherwise you will have very low participants. But that means the tournament will go for a long time.

 

No matter what you will not find the best DG player with this format as "the best" is not defined anywhere. Depends on the viewpoint. Still I am really looking forward to a tournament like this only to read the excuses of players why they didnt do that well and what it was that made others win although they are (as everyone knows) much better than the player that won. Only for that I personally would love to see this happening. Also I would like to place a bet on who will win.

 

Oh and looking at the ego thats around I dont think that a cash prize is really neccessary. Just a thought.

on May 16, 2011

SLEDGE71
Still I am really looking forward to a tournament like this only to read the excuses of players why they didnt do that well and what it was that made others win although they are (as everyone knows) much better than the player that won.

heh.  Indeed. 

on May 16, 2011

I have no problem inviting you sledge, I have never played with you so I can't really judge