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I have always wanted to play with people like Renz in a tourney instead of playing vs them. MORE than likely ill have a good enough internet connection to actual play in a tourney sooner than later. So I am all for another tourney. Sign me UP

Cool, cow.  But I would like to hear your idea on how we'd do it.  Do folks get to pick their own dgs or does the opposing team get to?  I think the opposing team picking will give us the best idea of the tier 1's (and create some crazy matchups), but I think folks will be against it some. 

I am all for mixing shit up, let the other team pick! More often then naught I see this resulting in mirror matches of the weirdest degree like reg, da or sed, qot. I think these matches will be fun and put players out of their comfort zones. I would also prefer 2v2 matches because they are truly the most unforgiving in DG.

sounds fun

From my point of view Cow mentioned the most important and first to decide point here. I know I am still a new player and here and then I hear "oh he is still noob" or "you cannot judge that as you dont have enough games yet". In preparing for the tournament I watched every replay of every player I could get a hand on (thanks Zen_God) to watch them play. I learned a bunch, but as I alread mentioned in Zen_Gods replay thread I also saw some other very interesting things. All those players (ok most of them) that you guys consider as great are great when managing their DG. They are not flawless, which gave me some hope and also do mistakes but overall they are great players. 

You can flame me all you want and I doubt I will completely explain this statement but I state that a lot of great players out there do not know the difference between a 2v2 and a 3v3. Most of you play a 3v3 strategy and do some major mistakes in 2v2. The difference from a strategy/teamplay point of view is huge between 2v2 and 3v3 and I am talking specific about cataract as on other maps this is another story.

So decide first if its going to be 2v2 or 3v3. In 3v3 I think you will find the player that is best in DG control. In 2v2 you will find the player that knows how to handle a DG great and understands the deeper strategy of an overall match. Both would be interesting to know.

Besides that to have every player play every possible combination of teams will be huge and impossible in my eyes. Imagine only 10 players sign up and you only play 2v2. Thats 9 teams everyone would have to play in. That alone would mean 45 games in the tournament. If you plan to play EVERY possible combination than its being on 9 different teams playing each combination of the other 8 players (28) which brings me to (hope I calced that correct) 1260 games total in the tournament. I guess everyone agrees that this will be hard to do.

I seriously like the idea though that the other team picks your DG. Not only because you see how good players peform with a DG they dont know that well but also because it shows how you manage to decide with your just assigned new team mate what the other team should play and your strategy behind the pick. That would add another skill level.

Sounds fun, probably we'll need to think quite a bit to make this work smoothly. Few things that i'd like to add on.

1- The players that join the tournament is bit problematic, if a player or players with significantly lower skill joins the tournament (aka noobish) it wouldn't be possible to win a game with those. So there should be be some sort of restriction, i don't if it would be ethic though.

2-I think when we came up with number of matches that is going to be played, in order to have variety we should allow each player to play a dg limited number of times. Let's say there will be 20 games played and there are 10 dgs. Each player can use a dg two times throughout the tournament.

3- Once again, to have more variety i recommend that we play different types of games. 1v1 and 2v2 on Prison(I think on cataract 1v1 and 2v2 doesn't work properly) and 3v3 on cataract.

These are what came to my mind so far, i am leaving US within two months so unless it ends up being after that, i'd most probably join.

Side note - perhaps the tournament would be invite only.  Just a thought.  Didn't have a chance to read some of the responses yet.  Be back in a bit.

Now I'd prolly not be around at the right time for a tournament due to time difference between Austalia and USA, but I think to find the best playrt perhaps a more comprehensive score would benefit. I think take into account thier individual achievements similar to favor point scores.How about something like this:

In each game a win is 1 point, and an award is 1/2 point. (damage, flags, cit ups).

Perhaps if you're on the LOSING team and you score and award make it worth 1 point. (if you're winning it's easy to score awards because they snowball, but if you're on the losing team to get an award other than participant means you did well). Obvuiously participant award is worth nothing lol.

Each victory screen shot is kept and at the end of the tournament a primary count is made. (all win points and award points). THEN to decide the overall best player a SECONDARY count is made for some extra points.... what is the secondary score?

For each player 1 extra point is awarded for the following TOURNAMENT TOTALS (all scores added from every game)

Flags captured

Damage

Kills

Least deaths

Grunts

Structures destroyed

Assists

highest total favor score.

So to win the tournament you'll need to be on the winning side for most games. But if you lose a game you may still improve your score by game and tournament performance. - get as many flags as you can, get some damage in before the end, wipe out some creep waves, some games the difference between getting an award is only 1 kill, or 10 grunts, or 1 flag or 500 damage - so your effort should add up to a tournament total IMHO.

Juzt a thought,

OK - I'm off to bed in a min, but want to get this rolling.  1st - thx for all the feedback.  I'd like for orcun to be able to participate, so I want you folks to start firing ideas fast and furious.  Eg - we start playing this tourney within the next 1-2 weeks... and those of you that have been around know that we have to talk QUICKLY if that's going to happen.  So, here's some stuff we need to bottom out.

1. Do i change the title of this thread and we just make it an invite only event of those of us that have been along for a bit and we know will be reliable to play asap?  It doesn't have to be a best of the best tourney, but the way I described it sounds fun (where we rotate teams).
2. Format - is it 1v1, 2v2, 3v3.  If we change formats, how do we make that fair (eg if we do mostly 2v2, then when is it ok to have a 1v1?)
3. Do we do as I suggested and let the other team pick your dgs?

Here's what is set RIGHT NOW (I'll update this list as we sort things out)

1. The tournament will be about individual excellence.  Players will receive a point for a win and nothing for a loss.  We might expand this to add points for other things, but at its most basic value (and might be what we are going for) all games are worth only 1 point if you win
2. The winner will be the person with the most points
3. At the very least, the #1 winner will receive a cash prize

Onto a quick discussion on funding:

I'm personally going to put up some money for the prize.  I'd like others to be willing to contribute.  If no one else is willing, then I think I will charge like a $5 entry fee.  If we make this a private tourney, then I can't pitch this to SD for funding support.  I'm ok with that personally.  Anyway, it would be cool to have some of you folks that care a bit to put in some sort of money - even if its only $10.   I think we can have a lot of fun.  The best part is that your overall score won't be based on your teammates if all goes well.  It will all come down to how well you play, etc. 

edit - and again - if you want to have any meaningful feedback towards the rules, you need to make AT LEAST 1 post here per day.  I'll keep an eye on the thread, but I want this to happen if possible.

I am down for a 2v2 tourney.

Invite only and if they can't make it they can't make it.

Other team picks your characters.

Cataract is the map of choice. 

People I would invite off the top of my head:

• Darkliath
• Pappanek
• Zen_god
• Jona
• Mcshane
• Renz
• Orcun
• Mithrandir
• Hedgie
• Pacov
• Kalel
• TSK-Rin
• Anataresthekuuk ( I think that his name?)
• Leon the Professional
• IamKira
• Ninki
• Doggu
• Soccermom (but he is unavailable for quiet sometime, I think he would do pretty well in this event)
• OMG_ZEX
• Maxsteel
• Nomilarac
• Teseer (for funzies)
• Trouser
• nnnils
• Mcloover
• Quincrane
• CheesusCrust
• Kickassfreak
• 1nana
• 4nana
• RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 
• HempRX
• Saltyclam
• HempBoy
• Renzokuken
• Boxxy_Renz

okey enough of me being silly anyone I missed I am sorry

If a lot of people join this tourney it will take a insanely huge amount of time for every single person to partner up with every other person and play games. I don't exactly know how that would work. I can see that you play one game with someone and than you swap partners and play again, repeat until all combos with those players are done and that would be a "round" 

Invite only is ok, seriously. I would never think that I had a slight chance to win this anyways, so take me as an active advisor here. If you invite the list Zex just posted and want to have this in 1 or 2 weeks, then it will be a very short tournament considering what happened at the last tournament. 

I strongly suggest to setup a tournament where playing time is not fixed. Create match-ups and give the participant the freedom to schedule those games on their own, otherwise you will have very low participants. But that means the tournament will go for a long time.

No matter what you will not find the best DG player with this format as "the best" is not defined anywhere. Depends on the viewpoint. Still I am really looking forward to a tournament like this only to read the excuses of players why they didnt do that well and what it was that made others win although they are (as everyone knows) much better than the player that won. Only for that I personally would love to see this happening. Also I would like to place a bet on who will win.

Oh and looking at the ego thats around I dont think that a cash prize is really neccessary. Just a thought.

heh.  Indeed. 

I have no problem inviting you sledge, I have never played with you so I can't really judge