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Published on May 15, 2011 By pacov In Demigod

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*graphic courtesy of r_munch –thx!

Background

Back quite some time ago when we were talking about tournaments… WAAYYYYY back when I had that oh so very annoying thread about DG players – tier 1, tier 2 and those to be avoided (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/372184)…

… I had an idea.  What if we had a tournament where every player was teamed up with every other player.  This means, the tournament will really be about individual excellence.  We mix and match teams.  You don’t try to form team super perfect – you get an assigned teammate that changes each round.  For every win, each player on the team gets 1 point.  If you lose, you get nothing.  We do this until we go through the combinations.  The winner is the person with the most points as they were clearly the most effective on each team.   In the event of a tie… well… I’ll figure something out.  So, as you can see, this tournament is going to be structured VERY differently than our previous ones.  If all is well with the brackets, you will play on the same team with every single person exactly 1 time.

The Brackets

Although it probably doesn’t sound all that challenging to pull off, we actually had quite a bit of difficulty coming up with a decent bracket that would enable us to have the tournament they way we wanted it.  Thankfully, sledge was kind enough to help out and take the time to develop the brackets so I wouldn’t be doing all of the heavy lifting here.  Please give him some karma if you think of it.  At any rate, here’s a link to the brackets.  Please take a look to help get a better understanding of how things will work.  https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An02sqdF5v-EdG1hLTI1d3prLWpnWUpSRnNrbG9RMFE&hl=en_US&authkey=CLWZtdgO 

Be aware that we will have EXACTLY 16 players in this tournament.  In the event that we only have 15 players, we will add in 1 enhanced AI, etc

What is the schedule?

We should spend some time discussing this.  Technically, we could start immediately.  As you can see from the brackets, all you need is 3 other folks online at the same time to get a game in.  I propose that we setup some specifics dates and times that will be considered game days.  We can all show up during this time windows, pair up, and get some games in. 


What are the rules?
  • The tournament is 2v2 and is invitation only 
  • The map is cataract using default settings (AI settings will be on low gold/xp and high HP)
  • When the brackets are created (this happens right at the start of the tourney), the team that is on the left side of the bracket will be on the light side and the team on the right side of the bracket will be on the dark side
  • Each team may declare 1 of the opposing team's Demigods and the player that must use that Demigod. 
  • The team on light will tell a specific player on the dark side what dg they are to use.  Then, the team on dark will tell one player on the light side what Demigod they must use.  Then, the other player on the light team may pick any Demigod they want (no doubles).  And last, the remaining player on the dark team will pick any Demigod they want (no doubles)
  • All players must use uberfix 1.05 (you can download it here:  http://www.box.net/shared/qf7lhj1zjl)
  • Replays for all games must be uploaded to the Jee site by someone on the winning team.  This can easily be done when you report your results in on the Jee site.

 


What is the prize?
  • 1st place – $20 – pacov appears to be the only sponsor.  If you’d like to kick in some prize money, pm me.

Payouts will be delivered by PayPal.  If you don’t have a PayPal account, get one.  If you can’t do that, then you will not receive a payout for the cash prizes if you win.  If you do win, provide me with your PayPal addresses via pm on these forums and I will get you sorted in short order.  If the needed PayPal email address has not been provided in 1 week, the prize money is forfeit.  Cash is rendered via PayPal in US dollars.  If you are from another country, the conversion is provided by PayPal.  Any fee charged by PayPal will come directly out of your winnings (so its possible the winners could receive less than the listed payout).


How do I report my wins?
  1. This section needs updated – all wins should be reported via replays on jeeplays

 


Disqualifications

Thankfully, we have not had a need to disqualify any teams yet during our tournaments, but here are the ground rules.

  1. Intentionally desyncing a game will result in a forfeit.  If you believe this has occurred, send me a copy of your DemigodLog.txt file.  I’ll request some additional files if needed.  Hopefully we can continue to keep this nonsense out of our tournaments going forward.
  2. If you have not played at least 1 game within the first week of the tournament, you can be dropped and replaced by another player.
  3. If you have not completed your games in a reasonable amount of time, you can be DQ’d

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on May 17, 2011

             Ive loved this idea for awhile.  But we haven't really discussed the logistics of it yet which is the overwhelmingly hard part to figure out.  Like sledge said to play every single combination of teams depending on the amount of people involved in the tournament would take forever.  We either need to have this tourney last for awhile like a Pantheon Season,  or we need to have way few team combo options and have people with certain handicaps so that we can match same-skilled players against each other based on those handicaps (totally nullifying the purpose of this tourney but logistically thats what would need to happen if we don't want this to be months long tournament )  this would make it so that everyone wouldn't have to play with every single player combination.  But honestly Id rather the tourney last a couple months and have a lot of the player combinations played through.  Unless we setup some bogus pt system that's not 100% accurate we would just have to randomly assign people to teams through luck of the draw.

 

     Just posting some rambling thoughts if anyone has a better way to setup the tourney or can make a pretty algorithm to automatically spit out team combos based on games who does what in the preliminaries that would be great .   On that note if we arent going to make this a really long tournament I would suggest preliminary games,  then have a panel assign people certain handicaps based on team size and maybe dg selection.

 

Cow i like your list buttttt you have renz and rawwr on there 3+ times .

on May 17, 2011

heh... yeah - I'm on there twice at least... hehe

on May 17, 2011

OK - so I'm thinking of just changing the title for this thread/tourney.

Here's how i propose we organize things:

  1. It's an invitation
  2. It's techincally a ladder
  3. Tourney will be 2v2
  4. We rotate teammate combos. 
  5. The other team picks your dgs

The overall goal will mostly be fun.  As long as everyone is willing to put in a little effort, as long as 4 folks are online at the same time, people could start playing matches whenever.  We could set a static time each night where folks should get online if they can.  And again, all we need is 4 people and we'll split up teams.  No one will be on the same team twice, so just mix n match.

We could extend the invites to whoever we wanted.  Even if there is a weaker player in the mix, everyone would have to play with that person once, so that should offset things a bit, methinks. 

The other angle, but unfortunately one that complicates things a little more - I'd like it if we could figure out a way to have the occasional challenge games.  Eg I could challenge another team where we pick our dgs or teammates or whatever.  I'm not sure how we could do that, though, as more games played potentially gives you an advantage on the ladder.

All of that said, I THINK the jee site could track stats for us and we could record the games there - we'd need a spreadsheet though to track who played with who, etc. 

The ideal setup for me would be to just have games start weeknights at around 7PM EST.  So, everyone shows up - someone hosts a LADDER game, and folks that are in the ladder can join.  That should facilitate getting some games going quickly if people would make an effort to be around then.

on May 17, 2011

Zex thanks for considering to invite me to the tourney but I was more referring to Pacov saying he wants the players that have been around for a long time to compete against each other and that is certainly not me.

 

I kinda agree with Jona that things havent really been discussed out. But on the other hand you can discuss for an eternity and will still not find a format where everyone will say "yeah this is the way to find out who the best player is". So no matter how you do it someone will always find the excuse that he is the best player it was just the wrong format and this is what I am most looking forward to. So define a way and go.

 

Last thing: Do not forget that this is not a community of US only players. 7PM EST is 1AM in central europe and like 8AM in Korea. There is a large group of russian players that are somewhere in the middle of that. From my only experience of the last tournament this is actually the biggest problem playing a tournament. Maybe do a pre-tournament per continent/timezone/region. Just a thought.

 

P.S. Zex forgot to list 3Nana 

on May 17, 2011

I get what you mean about the timezones - but I'm thinking setting up static days and times are good.  So, there could certainly be a weekend time that is setup that is good.  My take is that just to get things rolling, having folks that can be on and around 7PM EST would be a start.

on May 17, 2011

3nana I don't think is technically a smurf of any of the good players around, I think he might/she might be one of the only legit ones?

I was just goofing with all the smurfs too I forgot defender__ sigh...

on May 18, 2011

OMG_ZEX
3nana I don't think is technically a smurf

Yup - if I remember right, that was actually the only real nana.  or was it 2 nana that was the only original one... those nana's all run together.  5nana was some other fellow that just changed his name up to be part of the crazy numbering system. 

Changed the title in the OP.

Here's how i propose we organize things:

  1. It's an invitation
  2. It's techincally a ladder
  3. Tourney will be 2v2
  4. We rotate teammate combos. 
  5. The other team picks your dgs

Any objections or additional ideas?  Otherwise, we can get cracking and start gauging interest.  I'm actually fine with inviting several folks even if they are the "best of the best" or what have you.  As long as everyone has to play with everyone, that should even out, methinks.  That said, if we are picking the other teams dg, then that puts some folks at an EXTREME disadvantage.  Would be nice if we could figure out a better way to do things with regards to that... we could go a best of 3 route (which would make things take a bit longer, of course) where each team chose the other team's dg, then a 2nd game where any dg is ok.  Anyway, we do need to figure out who will be participating. 

on May 18, 2011

I think it should be only 1 game for each "grouping" of players

As far as the some people can only play 1 dg I think to be the "Best of the Best" you should be able to play each demigod to some degree. So in other words to bad so sad, you get to play something you suck at!

Oh man! I can't wait to see darkliath micro monks! Muahahahahahaha!

on May 18, 2011

OMG_ZEX
I think it should be only 1 game for each "grouping" of players

OK - K.I.S.S. seems appropriate here.  We'll limit it to 1 game per teammate combo. 

on May 18, 2011

Everyone that participates will play the same number of games.  I know that sounds pretty obvious, but inevitably, someone will start playing and then drop out, or have a hissy fit and vanish for a few days/weeks.  We're not going to go through and remove wins from folks that earned them because someone didn't stay committed.  Anyway, I'm not 100% sure how we will handle this, but if the tourney ends with me winning 10 games out of the 10 I played and someone else is in second place that only got in 8 total games, I wouldn't automatically be the winner.  We'll figure out something when we have to, but I'm not a fan of taking a win from anyone.  I'm also not a fan of penalizing someone that didn't have a chance to play the same number of games as someone else.

OK - so, who would like to participate? 

IN:

  • pacov

Someone hit up dark on vent if you get a chance and give her an invite plz. 

on May 18, 2011

I will participate as well.

 

on May 18, 2011

IN:

  • pacov
  • zex
on May 18, 2011

OMG_ZEX

Oh man! I can't wait to see darkliath micro monks! Muahahahahahaha!

 

Actually during our tournament practice with her playing QoT she actively played the monk in my lane. Dark usually reads forum so she will see this.

on May 18, 2011

I am glad she will see it, usually she gets to have all the fun playing DA, TB or regulus. 

on May 18, 2011

and just to be clear - you are certainly welcome to play with us sledge - just say you want to

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