I think a tourney is the best way to decide Tier 1...let the knights duel, until the best remain That would imply 1v1 eliminatory matches though....

 

Because if you make it team-wise, you could eliminate a good player just because he was stacked with a not-so-good one, against two(or 3) other very good players...now he may be Tier 1 material, but he can't hold the match 2v1 or 3v1

 

 

Yeah. It wasn't GuyLove who decided you should be kicked it was me and Maccalia. We asked several times if you were good, when you didn't even answered we figured you either were afk (= kick) or couldn't speak (=kick) so you shouldn't blame Guy.

The problem with 1v1 for me is that Demigod's very essential teamplay isn't shown. A tier 1 player should still shine lightest in a team imo.

Even if the player is tier 1 material and his teammates isn't it still should be able to be seen even though he/she isn't winning.

 

Agreed.  I don't think any tourney re: this list should have 1v1 elements.  I'm not at all certain how we'd do a tourney at this point.  I still lean in the direction in that this should be a pug tourney and not premade.  The focus of this list, as I intended it, is to show best individual players... not the best team out there.  But then we get down to how do we make reasonable teams?  We could randomly draw up 3v3 teams, but I'm not sure how fair that will be because I've made tier 2 the catch all category for now... surely there are wide levels of skill in the tier 2 list (some better, some worse).  It doesn't prove all that much to create a stacked team from the tier 2s.  So, I'm wondering if there is a fair way.  Ideas are welcome, of course. 

I should have a few hours tonight to get some games in.  I'll either be hosting pugs or joining games if I see them.  Hope to get to play with more of you soon.  We can balance as needed if I'm the host so feel free to join for a fair matchup.

Single player campaign has a good random bunch of matches...

Single player also doesn't have to worry about lag for 5v5s... or time zones. Or anything.

pacov think your solution here would be a point system.  That is each player plays many games as teams get shuffled constantly; no eliminations at least at that stage.  So its kind of like a football season.  get points for wins and since everyone would play with many different teammates against different teams you will get less bias from teammates or opponents, more games => more true results.  there can be 2v2, 3v3, 1v1s if needed.  after maybe have top players duke it out with the same system.. or elimination.  like you said straight up elimanation is too team dependent.

Think something like this will show you the tier1 players better - they'll win on average more as they will carry teammates that other cant.

Problem is this probably is not a practical solution, too hard to organize and get players playing enough games.  but if you know alot of people on the list or they are active enough maybe..

 

i declare myself tier 1 for single player.  Just had a tourney and won.  

Indeed.  Something more practical would be best (no idea what that is), but your suggested system would work to some degree anyway.

I vote we go recess.

Pick a bunch of captains and pick teams. lol.

How many players will want to participate in it seriously?  if around 50 people we can pull it off fairly easily.  But by seriously i mean if they say I will play from 3-7pm central american they will play from 3-7pm.

A variation would be making groups based on people's playing timeslots.

Think group A group B etc in soccer.

Can make small groups or large groups, small groups will be easier to deal with. Ex: groups of 4 => 3 team variations for each player in both 3v3 and 2v2.  at 3 games a day you can finish the group in 2 days the easy way.  (more games are needed if you want each team to play vs each over team, than you will have a pretty accurate list of top players in the end).

if you have more people can still do groups of 4 - have players post when they can play and go 1234 - group a 5 6 7 8 - group b etc.  Or make larger groups, where you always play with new teammates...  how does that team randomizer program work is the forums?  it may help.  There maybe decide that each player has to do set number of 3v3 and 2v2 games.  From each group top players advance to next one.  Repeat the process, you will eventually have to mix time slots but you would in any other tourney.

Someone will get tougher schedule but thats true in all sports.  now if you end up with 4 of best players in 1 group thats a problem.  You can have a losers bracket to deal with that.

if you belong in top 10 players you'll still come out on top in the end. 

top players (top 2 if you want to get a more accurate list) from all groups than form own group and player their matches.  process continues untill you get your top players.

if there is a tie for any slot well go go 1v1 since tier 1 should be well rounded:) 

Volunteer admins on each group would help.  If ppl play their games it wont take you very long to finish this.  the end will show you list of people who won most games with random teammates, they will be your top guys.

Hope this made sense i've not been getting sleep all week.  Top 2 proceed, bottom 2 move down to losers bracket and do same there.  the process repeats.  People that get eliminated from their winners group and loosers bracket group get eliminated completely. 

p.s.

2 ways to deal with loosers bracket btw:  after win pump them back up into winners or do like people usually do sports - have em play out ill they get top4 players and than spread them into the remaining winners group

p.p.s.

people really need to want to do this though, if they find time to play we can pull it off with a fairily close accuracy.

 

 

Do a poll "Would you participate if a 3v3 cup was organized ?".
If there are enough yes, create a forum with subsections like "subscribtions", "results and charts", "teams", "misc", etc. People would make their own teams, and people without teams would use the "team" subsection to try finding one. Once there are enough teams, create groups based on your knowledge of players in order to have groups of the same average level.
Then create a calendar of the matches.

For example :

Week 1 : Group A Team 1 vs Group A Team 4, Group A Team 2 vs Group A Team 3,Group B Team 2 vs Group B team 4, etc.
Week 2 :  Group A Team 1 vs Group A Team 3, etc.

Teams have to schedule their matches themselves in the week. They give admins the screenshot of the final score chart, and admins report it as a result on the forum, creating one thread per result so people can post comments, and players can post replays if they want.

It is not so complicated. It is the most basic kind of competition we could organize, but it would already be a great initiative. Any volonteer ?

(Oh and thanks to people nominating me ^^)

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Not it. 

you do not want groups based based on same skill level.  That hurts high skilled players and helps weaker ones.  if anything you'd want to spread those percieved to be tier 1 out.

Do a poll but more detailed one explaining the time you need to put in. 

also dont forget to add to the pole topic name "3v3 no nubs no pre"... but you know someone who is playing their third online game will still join and vote;) jk.. but they really will

Still think its better to decide on what structure is best and create a thread explaining it and having people post there to sign up.  See my previous post, if you use time slots to create groups can post (with your right hand raised) I can play from 2a.m. to 5a.m. most of the days and will not miss my games when i agree to one.

That would probably result in stacks.  Obviously, that's the easiest thing to do, though.

I've been doing something a little silly that you guys can try out to increase the number or tier 2 players joing your games if you like.  I host a passworded game that no one can join.  Just called it pacov pug and then indicate a time (7PM ET) the game will open up.  I'd host the passworded game about 10 minutes before I'm going to host the actual game I'll play in.  This gives people that don't mind waiting a small chunk of time a better opportunity to get in the game.  Anyway, that's what I'm doing if you see a game called XvX Pacov Pug 7:00PM ET that passworded.

Let's play more games together.

 

 

Actually this is a good idea, prolly best way to get a high level game is to create a lobby announcing it so that people can wait a bit prior to it instead of coming in and leaving.  That way you get more good players coming in at once vs. having mixed results.

gl with it!

That would probably result in stacks.  Obviously, that's the easiest thing to do, though.

I've been doing something a little silly that you guys can try out to increase the number or tier 2 players joing your games if you like.  I host a passworded game that no one can join.  Just called it pacov pug and then indicate a time (7PM ET) the game will open up.  I'd host the passworded game about 10 minutes before I'm going to host the actual game I'll play in.  This gives people that don't mind waiting a small chunk of time a better opportunity to get in the game.  Anyway, that's what I'm doing if you see a game called XvX Pacov Pug 7:00PM ET that passworded.

Let's play more games together.

 

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7:00 PM where? Please bear in mind people from all over the world play Demigod and we probably have different time zones