Yeah we all know Peters.

It seems we're on the cusp of the tone of this post changing dramatically.

With this patch? I doubt it. But there was an spirit/hybrid(you can't really go minion with oak tbh) that took HoB and just basically downed your citadel with 1600 hp spirits who are immune to most attacks. When most of your towers were eliminated the oak could just cap on towers fight a bit and send his minions in waves to kill your cit. Like minion erebus, but a little bit more nasty.

We create a new level of prestige with the new league.  Honestly, most players already know this ladder is "a bunch of crap".  So, create a ladder that matters.

Sort of like, playing in the NBA or winning all of your street games.  I can definitely see people who would never want to play at the NBA level, but is that really the majority here? 

I'll answer for him in the form of a question.  Do you know of any pure stat and beastial wrath build that is viable in a high level game?  Do you know of any pure mana build (aka buying only mana items) that is viable in a high level game?

The "well, he's the best at what he does" argument doesn't necessarily mean they are good.  There are 2 similarities between the following people:  The guy who ran a marathon in 2 hours, 3 min and 59 seconds, and the guy who squirt milk out of his eye 9.2 feet.  Can you guess?  They each have a world record.  Would I put them on the same playing field?  Hell no.

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So, this list is getting pretty long, and while I personally think the list has changed from 'best players' to a list of 'highly skilled demigod players,' or 'very good players' list' or something like that, I for one am thankful for a one stop shop for those of us left who like to play at non-noob levels.  Granted, I'm no pro, nor do I think I belong on the OP intended list, but I have beaten MANY on the list and have been beaten by many as well.  No it wasn't 'fully balanced' or a pro-competitive game, just good ole' fashioned pug games w/ a little balance. (i.e. I'm sure many on this list are MUCH better than me)

I'll get back to my point.  I would love to see pretty much that whole group follow the idea of a 'certain title' with a 'certain password' for faster joins on games  without noobs or any way of coming together for that matter.  I play for fun, and accordingly enjoy variety, so I also like 'all random games' or  'no ub, ere, oak' or 'triples allowed', etc.  These variations dont work at all w noobs or even rarely w mediums....

Also, it would be helpful (or possibly pointless) at least for me to know times this 'group' would be getting on-- or at least high traffic times for our 'Fight Club?'

The first rule of fight club is........"We can't play if no one is on at the same time!"

Feel free to add, subtract, hate, or tell me....."of course you should've been on the list.........of mediocre supports to these great players."

P.P.S.  (sorry so long, and sorry Pacov if this shouldve been a new thread)

This is a nice list but without getting specific, I will say that my experience is that many of those listed aren't "the best" but rather just very good Demigod players in general.

I have played a number of those players and while they are good, their win percentages are largely because they won't go into a game that they aren't confident that they'll win based on who their teammates are.

Does this you mean you agree they should all fight it out in a Royal Rumble Style Tournament to see who is the King of the Demigods? 

Seriously though, if we had server side support for close ended tournaments or mini-leagues, we would not be having this discussion right now about who is the best.  (or it would be of a different nature).

I have to agree here.  Peter can be annoying early-mid and bring a lot of pressure, but he's not that great overall.  He's been doing the same thing since May and it's not that hard to counter.

And I'd think that many would kindly agree.  I haven't played with many of the folks on this list in quite some time, so I can't really confirm that some of the players that have been nominated are the world's greatest or anything like that.  Nor can I confirm that someone isn't just nominating one of his buddies, etc.  If we do start playing more games together, I think it will become more and more clear who the best players are. 

I completely agree with this, but this also makes clear that win percentage doesn't really matter a whole lot.  Change the label to "% of time a player is able to stack the odds in their favor."  But many players will attempt to balance games based on this stat.  Which means they will try to stick 90% guy with the lowest % guy for balance.  I very much doubt that any of the games this little league will get going will have teams based on win %. 

While that might be true, where we are is where we are. 

I welcome your thoughts and feedback.  No problem and thanks.

We certainly could try something like this, but while it would exclude new players, it would also exclude well seasoned players that don't use this forum.  So, I say we give it a shot and see what happens.  If you have a suggestion for game title and password, let's hear it.  I can place that in the OP and people can give it a go.  Worst case you host your passworded game... no one joins... and then you host it again without a password. 

Regarding times people play, I obviously can't speak for everyone.  With the holidays coming up, my schedule's been more erratic.  Been able to get more forum posts in during the day at work, but haven't been as available to play.  I'd think it would be good if we could say some games are going up at 6pm EST with the password.  Join.  If you don't get in that game, host your own, etc. 

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one allowed to answer questions with questions.  I thought I was, anyway...

And I agree with the overall picture.  Its quite all right that several of you guys disagree with me in perhaps his being on this list.  And you can disagree with my logic as well.  I believe he plays minion erebus very well.  I don't believe that the build is viable for high level 3v3, but I still find his style of play quite competent and good for what it is.  The thread is titled who are the best DG players and I feel that peter has one of the best minion erbs even though it is not all that viable late game unless he or his teammates have been able to feed. I do understand your points, though.  

If you honestly don't think his minions are viable you haven't played him with a decent team to back him up. When me peter and some other good player play the other team almost always gets delivered a loss. Peter's builds are extremely solid and I would gladly have him on my team over many of the others on the list.

I know... and that's when we get into who your teammates are, etc.  Its valid to go there, of course, because the greatest player can easily lose with a meh team.  But if I could have either the best assassin erb or the best minion erb on my team, I'd generally chose assassin.  And that's because I find that good assassin builds scale much better than minion.  I have no doubt that pete is quite formidible in a good team, but then again, most are.  I don't really mean any of my comments as a knock against pete, either.

I bet my build outdoes both