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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Dec 23, 2009

I bet my build outdoes both

whatchu talking about, mac?

on Dec 24, 2009

Hybrid is superior to both builds, because it combines the strenghts(pushing power of minion erebus, stunsupport of assasin) of both while being able to adapt quickly to the situation. It allows flexibility in your build to go either more minion or either more assasin depending how it goes.

on Dec 24, 2009

Hybrid is superior to both builds, because it combines the strenghts(pushing power of minion erebus, stunsupport of assasin) of both while being able to adapt quickly to the situation. It allows flexibility in your build to go either more minion or either more assasin depending how it goes.

 

/signed

on Dec 24, 2009

I, oo7_warhammer, am of course an awesome Demigod.

 

I would also like to put a string out there for Supafishy, also a good player, but i am better, and kill his arse all the time.

on Dec 24, 2009

Frogboy
This is a nice list but without getting specific, I will say that my experience is that many of those listed aren't "the best" but rather just very good Demigod players in general.

I have played a number of those players and while they are good, their win percentages are largely because they won't go into a game that they aren't confident that they'll win based on who their teammates are.
Says the guy in charge of the ladder website and automatching...

on Dec 24, 2009

Lol

on Dec 24, 2009

I was thinking that one way to mitigate the issue where some of the top level players would not be willing to play a game against others in this list would be allow 2 man premades in 3v3 or 4v4 games.  That does mitigate a little of the risk.  Do people generally feel like the balance of a game would be completely skewedin a game if a high level 2 man premade + 1 high level pug vs 3 high level players ?  Generally, without voice chat, high level players are already teleganking and focused on portal control as needed.  Thoughts?  I'd personally be fine on either side of the equation so long as I had a little confidence in my 2 pug partners (eg they are people on this list that I already consider good).  I suppose I'd even be willing to give it a shot with 2 random folks from the list vs 2 pre + 1 pug. 

 

on Dec 24, 2009

You should make an alternate section for "Good enough" players.

As in, will probably lose against the players on the list, but it won't be an embarrassing loss and you will at least demonstrate you know how to play.

on Dec 24, 2009





I completely agree with this, but this also makes clear that win percentage doesn't really matter a whole lot.  Change the label to "% of time a player is able to stack the odds in their favor."  But many players will attempt to balance games based on this stat.  Which means they will try to stick 90% guy with the lowest % guy for balance.  I very much doubt that any of the games this little league will get going will have teams based on win %. 



 

A perfect example of this is a player named Oakman he rolls into and out of rooms constantly looking for a squad that is insanely OPd compared to the competition, and even then he tells the team hes on that hes leaving unless they choose one of the "holy triumvirate, UB OAK EREB"  As such he has like 500 games played with a 80% or higher win percentage but hes really not that good.

on Dec 24, 2009

whatchu talking about, mac?

This

Hybrid is superior to both builds, because it combines the strenghts(pushing power of minion erebus, stunsupport of assasin) of both while being able to adapt quickly to the situation. It allows flexibility in your build to go either more minion or either more assasin depending how it goes.

on Dec 24, 2009

You should make an alternate section for "Good enough" players.

As in, will probably lose against the players on the list, but it won't be an embarrassing loss and you will at least demonstrate you know how to play.

Maybe... gets a little tricky though.  I can only personally verify about 6-9 people on this list as people that I consider excellent players.  Not because I think all the other players are meh, but because I haven't played against them in some time or I wasn't all that impressed when we played before (everyone has their off games) and so on.

We'll probably get to something like that at some point...

Anyway, merry christmas folks.

on Dec 24, 2009

I know next year as part of the Elemental project we want to be able let players setup schedules to play each other and then be able to report wins/losses and upload the replays and such.  It would be done via the Impulse system but it would let Demigod players organize tournaments a lot lot easier.

on Dec 24, 2009

I know next year as part of the Elemental project we want to be able let players setup schedules to play each other and then be able to report wins/losses and upload the replays and such. It would be done via the Impulse system but it would let Demigod players organize tournaments a lot lot easier.

Sounds great!!

on Dec 24, 2009

Tanisraistlyn




A perfect example of this is a player named Oakman he rolls into and out of rooms constantly looking for a squad that is insanely OPd compared to the competition, and even then he tells the team hes on that hes leaving unless they choose one of the "holy triumvirate, UB OAK EREB"  As such he has like 500 games played with a 80% or higher win percentage but hes really not that good.

I find anyone in general that has a win % of 70 or higher does this.

on Dec 24, 2009

These are korean players I know

2nana

Heros_Temp

They were the best players in Game ranger.

Did you add 2nana?? just making sure ,,,he rocks..

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