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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on May 09, 2010

and this is why ba294 is a bad ass...

on May 10, 2010

BOXXY VENT, THE ONLY VENT ENDORSED BY ALL THE TIER 1 PLAYERS (shit is legit).

IP:  boxxy.zapto.org
PORT:  3784

JOIN NOW!

on May 10, 2010

and this vent supports > 8 people?

on May 10, 2010

you will hear strange computer voice telling you insults if you go there

 

Don't say i didn't warn you

on May 10, 2010

Shameless bump!

BOXXY VENT, THE ONLY VENT ENDORSED BY ALL THE TIER 1 PLAYERS (shit is legit).

IP:  boxxy.zapto.org
PORT:  3784

JOIN NOW!

It's the only vent server I speak on due the high quality of people!


Warning: Not for people who are easily offended.

on May 10, 2010

you will hear strange computer voice telling you insults if you go there

that's kinda worth the price of admission. 

on May 10, 2010

random thoughts quickly  on new structure for this silly arse list

tier 1

tier 1.5

tier 2

tier 3

tier 4

 

avoid

unranked

 

other option

tier 1a - best of the best - all characters/tactician (about 6 guys here period - these are the guys that you put on any combo of 2v2 or 3v3 and you don't know the outcome)

tier 1b - step a wee bit lower, but not much (tier 1.5 ish) - awesome players, but these guys aren't quite as freaking good. 

tier 1 (individual char) - experts that are awesome with 1 character (possibly a liability or weak in all rand game, but a nightmare if they have their best)

tier 2 (all character) -

tier 2 (individual char)- not quite tier 2a

tier 3 (all character) - decent players - not awesome, but reasonable skills - not necessarily decent with all characters

tier 3 (individuals) - not awesome, but reasonable skills - just with 1 player

 

Also, if we want to go super nerd, we could come up with some categories to rank by for individuals...

for instance, we could rank tier 1 players in several categories...

like

map awareness (x/10)

team play cit upgrades (x/10)

team play gank (x/10)

portal control (x/10)

team play support (x/10)

we could have varied rankings based on support or assassin... blahblah.

on May 10, 2010

As cool as the last part sounds... I don't think we're quite to the pro sports level of stats.

on May 10, 2010

I hate to go off topic a bit, but I feel this is important so forgive me.

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/382062 watch this replay, I feel it is important enough for everyone to at least be aware of.

What I really want to know is why didn't my grunts ever help me out lol, they just walked past the scene of the crime.

on May 10, 2010

That sounds super complicated. I'd rather this not be made into a type of spreadsheet. ^^;

But working with what you're saying:

Tier 1a is best of the best. Eg, top 1%

Tier 1b is ... top 3%? 

Tier 1c needs to probably be Indisputable Top-5 of a given character.

That said, have to be careful with this. A lot of people play really really poor support characters (especially Sedna) or don't split monks well. I may specialize in Sedna, sure, but the only character I really struggle with while playing is Rook. Even though any tier 1a or 1b might be able to play all the characters proficiently, some people just don't LIKE certain characters and so play them maybe only "average".

However, since these players also have top-notch map awareness and have good skill builds and good exposure, it matters less. It doesn't matter WHO you are, if you port 3v1 on someone with 1k hp, you're gonna get a kill. But, you aren't making the most of your character and doing the crazy bullshit you might be doing because you know the abesolute limit of your character and if you're pushing it or not.

Also, the more popular characters (Rook, Reg, UB, Erebus, Oak), it's hard to say you're a "Top 5". Too many people play them well and play them differently.

Even though I consider myself a Top 5 Sedna, my favorite build has faults and weaknesses. I know how to adapt and shift my build depending on who I'm fighting and what they are doing, but, still, it's not my "comfort" build. So, other people with different builds than me in a situation that I don't like might perform better than me. 

2a is top 10%? 

2b is top 10% with a specific character. Should that not have to be Rook-LE-UB-Oak? What if they are a really awesome Oak?  

 

I'm against having a Tier 3 for a specific character. Tier 3 is more of a "Honorable Mention" and puts someone on a watchlist. "You got this random guy on you're team, you can trust him to play at least decently. If you see him improve and start to kick ass, maybe he should be Tier 2." I don't think that Tier 3 should have a requirement to be well-balanced in your character selection. 

on May 10, 2010

^How the hell do you struggle playing Rook?

Ok I've seen some terrible ones but with some common sense he's quite straightforward.

on May 10, 2010

GM-NinkiCZ
^How the hell do you struggle playing Rook?

Ok I've seen some terrible ones but with some common sense he's quite straightforward.

Put shit up, knock shit down.  'nuff said 

on May 10, 2010

I struggle because he is as boring as fuck. 

I spend 400 mana to put up a tower with god-knows-how much hp. I watch 2 demigods struggle to kill it. By the time they do that, I put up another... 

I WANT TO WADDLE UP THERE AND HAMMER SLAM THEIR FACES

on May 10, 2010

I think a

1

1.5

2

3

would be a bit easier to accomplish than all a's and b's in the second proposal.

on May 10, 2010

I struggle because he is as boring as fuck.

bah - just get wreckless... much more exciting when you get chased by an entire... c'mon... do it.

I think a

1

1.5

2

3

would be a bit easier to accomplish than all a's and b's in the second proposal.

I agree and that adding 1.5 will certainly be better than what we have, but I'd like to come up with the best approach... you guys think i should add anything to this concept?

 

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