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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Feb 07, 2014

Yay!  Gj karl!

on Feb 07, 2014

random statement - I got to hang out with Molly Ringwald for about 2 hours tonight... strange but true story.

random question - so, I'm a bit sick of making vids for my placement series - maybe that will change, but w/e.  Good odds I'll just play the games and skip the vids.  Anyway, is anyone still in the placement matches that would be interested in me specating their game live and providing commentary?  I suppose you could listen in and get a little extra intel (random stuff like top lane is crushing in cs, etc - not things like wards obv).  I know, for instance, I really enjoyed spectating some of karl's games last season when he was trying to hit gold.  Maybe other folks dig that stuff?

Oh - and I'll try to help out those of you that enjoy watching me do my placement games live.  Going to figure out when I'm playing my next game soon and I'll post a bit in advance in case you want to watch live.  Currently targetting tomorrow or Saturday, but I'm a little hesistant as I'm on call for work and there have been some big problems that kept me up a few nights this week.  Looking to do a min of 1 placement with a max of 3 (focus =2).  Night all!

 

on Feb 07, 2014

I bet Bryff doesn't even know who Molly Ringwald is.  In other words, you are old.  I guess I am too.

on Feb 07, 2014

I enjoy watching the analysis of any game, but I'm kinda deflated on the whole Holy Shit I'm Doing Placements And It's a Really Big Deal thing going on in MadCast.

Out of my Bronze V buddies, one went 7-3 and completely carried a lot of his games and the other went 5-5.  Both ended up in Bronze V again.

Other buddies of mine did well and ended up ranked pretty high after, others had horrible luck.  The ones who ended up pretty low are all skipping promos and getting 30 LP a win and losing 10 LP a loss.  Hard to get excited about promo series when everyone is ending up back where they were in a fairly short amount of time no matter what the results of the series.

Seems like the soft reset had no purpose other than forcing The Boosted to pay for Elo Enhancement services again.

on Feb 08, 2014

Thanks for that feedback, Thunder - that helps a bunch with perspective.  I was thinking similiarly.  Anyway, that said, I will be playing 1 ranked game tomorrow. Tune in and watch if you care to.  I'm thinking my vid series is over.  Wide range timing on my game - between 7-9PM EST.  Will update a bit in advnace as the day goes on - keep an eye out if interested. 

 

on Feb 08, 2014

I've probably seen that face before but other than that, nope, no idea who Molly is.

And, yeah pretty much.  Tanked my placements 2-8, went from G4 to S5.  Skipped promos and got to S1 in less than 20 games.

on Feb 09, 2014

Bryff is really young.  It shows he's pretty clean cut that he didn't just assume you were on uncut ecstasy.

on Feb 09, 2014

Well, that quit by me was pretty cool.  My computer had that fun once in a month crash where the graphics card decides to murder everything.  Not even a blue screen - everything just dies.

on Feb 10, 2014

No worries, mr karl. 

on Feb 10, 2014

So the 4.2 patch notes were posted to garena - some interesting changes here and I'd encourage you to take a look.  skarner/xerath rework live in it amongst other things.  See link and skip to 1st comment to for details

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/

 

on Feb 10, 2014

Doing some crafting - just tossing out some math here for general reference re: gp/10 items

1st column is the actual game time where you would see the gp/10 bonus (as you don't start generating gold until 1 min 30 sec).  Last 2 are potential combos for gold generation (obv last column = extreme).

Things to ponder - any major benefits to shopping at a specific time for dominance?  Eg I come back to lane with X item when the enemy couldn'tg possibly have that adv, at what point is this actually a smart strat if ever?  Also, jungle math required as well.  Gank potential increase based on better itemization, etc. 

 

Actual time in game Time Master Gp/10 9 yellow 3 quint gp/10   If quints + mastery if all 3
1 min 40 sec 10 sec 1.5 2.25 3   4.5 6.75
2 min 30 sec 1 minute 9 13.5 18   27 40.5
6 min 30 sec 5 min 45 67.5 90   135 202.5
11 min 30 sec 10 min 90 135 180   270 405
16 min 30 sec 15 min 135 202.5 270   405 607.5
21 min 30 sec 20 min 180 270 360   540 810
26 min 30 sec 25 min 225 337.5 450   675 1012.5
31 min 30 sec 30 min 270 405 540   810 1215
36 min 30 sec 35 min 315 472.5 630   945 1417.5
41 min 30 sec 40 min 360 540 720   1080 1620
on Feb 10, 2014

Jungle test - masteries go deep enough in support to get the gp/10 masteries.  Runes are gp10 quint and yellow gp/10 - the rest are AS and ARM runes.

Test made using chogath, but this will work for any jungler that can sustain well enough (read - most/all). 

Providing zero ganks, taking exactly the 1st blue/red, leeching zero XP, you can base at 7:08 or slightly sooner with enough for a completed spirit item (SotAG, etc).  I call this out specifically because that is the point at which the junglers gold potential jumps a ton and its still early enough that your team isn't leeching your jungle.  Downside - no boots and you've ganked zero times.

The goal here is to set an easily attainable baseline.  While this isn't ideal, its something you can replicate.  This specific setup could be used to rush for junglers with strong level 6 setups, though, that lack in ganking power prior to.  Also, keep in mind the actual total gold you have to play with.

 

You start the game with a 300 gold machete and 5 health pots.  You essentiallty have 1700 gold that you could use on any item if you back then and choose not to go with getting the spirit item completed (You could just complete spirit stone 1700-400 = 1300 left and go for any tier 2 completed boots, etc.  That doesn't really maximize things though.  Ideally whatever you get should be something that you could only get due to having the extra gold income. 

zero gank chog - 7:08 - spotag - rdy to hand off 2nd blue or take. 

 

 

on Feb 10, 2014

Same test with udyr - 6:52 at base having bought Sotag.

So, pros/cons

pros - with the exception of getting kills or farming a lane, this is the earliest possible time that you could pick up a spirit item.  This is due to getting 220 extra gold via masteries, runes.  You could definitely pull this off without having to go into the support tree and getting the gp/10 masteries.  You could also drop the 9 yellow gold per, but you would need to keep the support gp10 masteries or you would be way off the timing and late for blue. 

The current method I'm using takes all 3 gp avenues - which feels over the top considering the value of armor yellows.  Here's my current greed page stats - 5.3 gp/10, 15% AS, 6.3 arm.  Compare that to a more standard jungle page - 15% AS (no diff), 4.5% MS, 13 Arm, 24 MR at 18.  It starts to look more painful.  The likely best setup for this style (rush of spirit item) would be 15% AS, 13 Arm 3 gp/10, then you can specialize however you want with your blue glyphs. 

 

 

on Feb 10, 2014

don't you hate Cho'gath though?

 

you should also probably update the name of your stream t:

"Unranked playing low MMR Ranked 5s and low level ARAM"

 

Couldn't even play your one ranked game you promised us! We demand retribution!

on Feb 11, 2014

awuffleablehedgie
don't you hate Cho'gath though?

karl's cho'gath.  Mine is amazing (I put on clinic for karl tonight).  huehuehue.  My real complaint with cho'gath is that its necessary to hit his skill shots to have good ganks and get your deeps out.  Other junglers don't have that problem.  What's better - consistenly reliable cc or solid potential cc that if you miss, you land zero of your dmg?  Consistent cc imo.  Also, cho'gath is now the best champ in the game and I love him.  

Honestly, I'm hoping to get my drive back for ranked.  I'm not anxious atm - I just don't give much of a rip.  It will pass in a few days and I'll get some games in... sorry.  Forgot I made that post completely.  I'll make it up to yah.  Will give plenty of notice, schedule a specific time, and then play 2 games of my placement series. 

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