http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=126009

I always like to bring this replay up whenever I think of Ninki, to this day he won't admit that they lost because of both members, Ninki still think Heros is completely to blame. My half assed DA with experimental build was more then enough for a no hp wearer lol. Then ninki goes and makes comments like "This is why Temp shouldn't be in Tier 1" and "Post the replay and everyone will see your wrong and I'm right".

I'm going to keep this short and sweet since I feel like my posts tend to be too long. Now you can't just post a replay and say, look look at how bad he is. You actually have to say something about what you believe the player did incorrectly because a lot of the times, it's the weaker player that costs the game, which I believe was the case in that game.

Your criticism was that I did not hp stack and instead got 2 mana helms - a plenor (1500G) and a scaled helm (550G) - based on the gold I had.

1) The 2 good Occulus in DG in my opinion are RAWRRRR and Magnus. Both prioritize mana helms before hp items, which is exactly what I did. I could've sold my demolishers for armour, but against a DA, demolishers tend to work quite nicely.

2) You said that most Occulus you see have around 7000hp, but just the other day I saw RAWRRRR's Occulus who had 4 kills and barely cracked 6000 until end-game. I was an Occulus that had to buy currency 1 and no kills, so I'm not sure where the gold for armour would come from.

3) You aimed for the DA during every gank, which was the correct DG to aim. After my partner dies in a gank, there is no way I myself would be able to take 2 DGs on. I wasn't the source of the problem - it was the DA. Why do I think the replay shows why he isn't Tier 1 - because like I've said before, he does not know how to adjust to the situation. He gets boots of speed and speed buffs against an Oak who has pent and surge, and a DA that has warp strike. He saves up 4k of gold for I'm not really sure what (creeps I'm guessing) when he should've sold his boots for armour, or even an orb of defiance - it wasn't that he was lacking gold because he had Heaven's Wrath.

4) During my whole conversation with you, you talked as if you did all the work, which is typically the way you talk all the time because you don't give credit to others where it's due. Your build worked because you had an Oak with pent - which has armour reduction. The problem wasn't exactly hp, but armour.

But hey, at least I didn't moan and cry about Oak's shield being OP, and that it should be impenetrable, which is exactly what you did when you lost to Janook. How come I don't hear you complaining about shield when you're the one reaping its benefits?

EDIT: Damn it that wasn't short and sweet at all.

1) Herp derp, of course you get Mana before hp, I'm saying after you get your mana, you stack HP, you didn't till the end.

2) YOU HAD 4.5k at the CITEDAL AND YOU GOT NOTHING.

3)Yeah and when we killed DA, you with no HP or Armor really helped things along against my Melee build that would easily be weakened by armor.

4)My build worked because you had no armor, the pen just made it worse for you, but of course you can't figure that out for yourself. Never did I also say I did all the work, I always say I was half assed in that match and that you were both to blame but as everyone knows, you don't listen.

Also you say that DA saved up 4k gold when he should of bought items (Not creeps), but you did the exact same thing! You saved up because you thought you had to buy creeps (Or so you told me) when you should of just got some hp and items! Yet nope, it's all DA's fault.

Typical Ninki.

Did you not read what I said in #3 - what good would 1k or even 2k of hp do after my DA dies and you two both have 3k of hp left with a sigil waiting to be activated.

If I was being targeted then I would've gotten hp and armour, but I got citadel upgrades in hopes that it would save my DA from death.

You just need more Fireballs.

Yes, and typical Ninki is always right.

Too bad I don't have the replay of Koush that 1 game playing a... what did he call it.. pure AOE build? I think it was Circle of Fire, Rain of Ice, Fire Nova and Ice Nova.

And then he goes on to blame me for my "bad" Erebus, because I bat swarmed in to another Erebus, which is exactly what Renz does so I guess that makes 2 bad Erebus.

CITEDAL. That is all.

Pure AoE build would be awesome to fight 1v1 against.

You think someones oc comes even close to comparing to mine?  I'm insulted.

AND RAWR NO LESS.............

Do we ever play together anymore? No. Do you message me on msn? No. I message you on msn and do you reply? No.

I don't even know why I still try from time to time. You said you'd lend me a TENT to sleep in if I came to visit, even though you'll have a whole resort. You wouldn't even sacrifice ONE room out of the 200 for me because you think it's so important to make money off of a poor student. It'll be POCKET CHANGE to you anyway. 

Woohooo, i made it to T1 (along our admired hero Paulie Carbone  ), now i can go on with my world domination plans...  

I want to thank Shreddie and SplitShadow for their recent support in this thread, and Cow for starting me on my way to this Os... err T1 place .

Seriously though, i'm not quite sure i'm comfortable being rated "above" some T2 players or others who aren't listed here. I guess my ideal would be just one big list of good players you can safely play with, we all have our good and bad days/games after all. But hey, it's your list, so thank you anyway Pacov.

I still think this list is far from complete, Bellach, MyBones, ABornExile, Karebears definitely deserve a place in T2 at least, SethNB/Maukankousappo too (if i got to know which one is his true account)...

SplitShadow and Max (howboutnooooo) have played very solid games recently, they probably deserve a place here too...

Well, you get my point, we either try to keep a fairly updated list or abandon it completely, no point in having it set in stone for months.

I think its funny that every video you posted I am playing Reg, a char that cannot carry without good teamwork.  And I do love how you take the bait so easy and rush to your boyfriends defense rawwrr.  Sry I haven't saved any of the replays where Ive owned your oak rawwr (you not your teammates) but I will be sure to do so from now on, just incase I get more random games posted where I've lost due to lack of teamwork.

Not to be mean or rude I've liked Nom ever since he started playing,  but he is definitely tier 2 I have seen no evidence of an all around expert player.  It's mostly his consistency and ability to only play UB at a medium level that I have witnessed in my games..  Now I hear cow rave about him but I haven't heard this from any other players.  Or seen anything super special.

If the honest qualification for tier 1 was beating a tier 1 at some point in demigod, tbh, at least 50% of the current T2s would be tier 1.  All it takes is a guy playing badly on the side the T1 player is at.  It's just quite hard sometimes getting a game where there isn't someone that plays dramatically badly.  E.g. today, me and Alex beat renz and Koush.  Our pug was better than theirs.  That's it.  Renz and Koush played great.  

Later in the day, I'm on Koush's team.  We have a sub mid russian beast pug, they have a good oak player pug.  They win as our beast runs into death several times.  T1 or not, you can't stop other players playing bad 

I'm happy for you Nom  

I've made my peace with my love of TB standing in my way of T1