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Abuggeredhedgie. You sure about that? I shun both sedna and erebus(although I do play 'em) and im more of a rook/qot lover to be honest. We haven't played a lot so maybe that was that rare instance I played sedna;-)

 I myself am a fierce random/all player but to claim that I(or any other player) am fantastic or even very good with every single demigod would be ludicrious. But I also don't think you could ask that from a player to be considered "pro".

 To me a good player is someone who can play not only a tier I char very good(which isn't that hard) but has no problems with playing blantly inferior demigods like TB competetively, although not neccessarily all of them. However this list is huuuge so maybe we should get some players off. Maybe by replay showing a hard defeat where it clearly was the player and not the team, or maybe by vote.

P.S. Always buys sigils. Big mistake. Yes sigils are usefull, but jsut buying them everytime is a  grave strategical error since they are not exactly cheap, and relying on them to save you from death everytime makes you take way more risks than you should.

P.P.S Yes I wanted to nominate archon for regulus, but since we're friends and play in the same team, I didn't think that would be appropiate. I would also like to nominate Silvius in about a month when he got the feel of the game back in his fingers.

I disagree. Sigils are insanely powerful.  Having one on you at all times is a significant advantage- at least mid to late game.  I didn't say "waste sigils regularly".  But a properly used sigil is always worth it.  Same for flag locks and portals.  The amount of times I've wasted a sigil pales in comparison to the times it's saved me or used it to punish someone who did not have one on them.

Considering what they do, 500g is cheap imo.  Hence the countless nerf/remove sigil threads.

Being able to play every DG is pointless. There's only four which are especially good and the best players of the worst ones can't win with them in competitive games anyway.

Basically you're trying to say that people should be good at a game that doesn't exist... I made that mistake way back in the WC3 days. Every time someone did whatever new fad was most effective after a patch rather than mimmick it I would play my own way and learn how to use a much more complicated counter, immensely confident that when the game was patched to fix their cheap strategy I would have the upper hand.

Lo and behold they did fix those borderline exploit strats, but you know what? The best players adapated, they didn't just pack up and move to the bottom of the ladder. I would have the upper hand for about three days after the new patch because I was so familiar with other aspects of the game which became important over night, but it was always very short-lived.

If they fix the weaker DGs the so-called masters of them aren't going to be the masters for long. The people who played to win from the start will send them searching for a new niche within a week.

I like your list you also play regulus the way he should be played.  This is a team game and you play as a great teammate I would add you to my list for your overall team play

I'd say 5 are top.  Ereb, Oak, Beast, Sedna, Rook.  Erebus, Beast, Oak being the standout offensive team.  Rook, Sedna, Oak being an effective defensive team.  And a few inbetweens can work such as Rook, Beast, Ereb for some nasty triple stun combos.

Also, I find characters like Torch, Reg, Demon Assassin grow in power the more DGs are in the game.  They're not particularly competitive in 3s, but in 4s and above they are competitive imo.  Torch is amazing at farming grunts in maps like Zik.  I don't even need kills to get All Father's Ring on that crazy map.  Reg on levi is a snipe machine with renewal.  Demon Assassin swaps are especially nasty when 3+ DGs pile on that one DG out of place.  Also he's more likely to get level 15 in larger games for that awesome warp strike crit dps.

Then again, I usually play those crowded games vs n00bs.

Also don't you pug a lot?  You're not playing top players all the time.  It's fun to bust out a reg every now and then.  Although I've noticed due to win % balances you probably need to go a top tier demi to carry your team...

Everything isn't about 3 v 3 Cat heh.  Just 95%.

Well I'll let a Sedna player field that one because I personally hate playing her myself, haha.  What's not to like about Silence and Heals?  Also counterhealing.  And she can do the same Oak bs- run to the port flag, silence and tp out.

sedna+oak and sedna+beast are good in 2v2.

Erebus
Oak
Beast
Sedna
Rook
Torchbearer
DA
Regulus
Queen

Top 3 are very close. Top 5 is all reasonable, after that your pick will weaken the team alot, especially certain combinations.

Sedna is very much competitive 2v2 Cataract for a large variety of reasons, mostly the fact it is very difficult to burst her down with 'only' two people. (I can typically tank a full round of cooldowns 2v1 with minimal damage at the hp flag assuming level 7, I've shopped twice and there have been no kills. After that first 10 seconds or so I really start to feel it though :-/ and I'm typically committed enough that I'll need someone to port in. Though i've burnt all their mana at least)

Sedna is slightly less effective in 3v3 Cataract because on Cata dps is king and the fact that she can't handle Rook very well. A good Sedna can and will help win games but a Sedna has a very hard time if the enemy team has more than 3 seconds total of stunning capabilities. Though Silence IS awesome, love that thing and nice for ninja'ing. Issue with it is that Sedna is designated currency bitch which means that she typically won't have the mana to even get CLOSE to spamming Silence (let alone Heal/Pounce) until at least level 9 or so.

I do think that a Sedna-Oak combination is one of the strongest throughout the course of the game. (There are of course stronger combinations during certain portion of the game and also Sedna starts to fall behind around level 15 but most games don't last that long soooo). This is, of course, making the assumption that you're not giving Rook time to make a tower farm, etc etc.

The reason is that even though they don't have the best dps, you have, really, no good target to focus on. Assuming level 7 ... Target someone and the large heals will typically let them tank 15 seconds or so (2 full heals). You get close enough to kill... Shield. During hte time shield is up you get another 1200 hp heal. Eat through that and then you got the Sigil... Oh yeah and then you have Clerics + Monks which will heal a total of 33% of both of their hp every 10 seconds.

And then you've got creep waves coming in that Oak is Surging for DJ to eat off of and alllll that junk.

This is one of the reasons why I think that Sed - Oak - UB (I think everyone knows why UB+Sed is awesome ) is one of the stronger 3 man teams ASSUMING A ROOK IS NOT ON THE FIELD. In my opinion, a 3v3 game should have a cheap build (for currency), an excellent mid-price mid game build (like UB. Give him a few Armors and BotS or a pure Ooze just armor and he's golden) and then a great end-game build (Oak).  You don't have overlapping power-peaks so you can maintain strong pressure throughout the game, though you will be weak during certain levels to certain builds (Ereb-UB-Rook @levels 5-10) )

Regarding counterhealing:

"supposedly" by micromanaging your monks you can pull them in and out of the counterhealing area to let them heal you. I've yet to achieve this effect but the rumor is that the aura is "delayed". I personally think that it's just the animation that is delayed since priests typically don't instantly get all black and shtuff. I do know that you can re-summon priests though and they do heal (this is an unfortunate side-effect of Nature's Reckoning).

Sedna on Levi is crazy because she can hit 62 hps at level 5 with just BotF and Banded. And that doesn't count monk heals or heal-heals either. It makes her extremely strong as long as the game stays a split 2 on each side. Again, she has a harder time with 3v3 dogpiles.

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I do agree with the competitiveness of both TB and Reg on Levi and Zik. TB's creep farming can save games and Reg's constant sniping harassment on Levi helps dominate the damage flag. However, in the current 3v3 Cataract meta they do not really shine quite so much which is where all the hate comes from.

I don't really consider Queen strong on Levi or Zik. I think she is "best" 2v2 Prison since she can double farm very easy and she can always be paired with someone and her shield is... very strong.

wow some aus players got on this list who are terrible

you forgot ryanheart and insomniac, they are the only honourable mentions from the whole aus community. and ofc they are now inactive.

I think Levi is a much better example of what's wrong with Reg than what's right with him, the first being his extreme mana issues. Reg falls on his face in Cataract, but when you both remove the cooldown flag (potentially an effective 15% mana cost reduction) and add in a 15 MP/S flag he improves dramatically. Then you give him solid health regen which is a disproportionately large percentage of his total health and finally throw in a perma meat shield since people tend to play that map 4v4.

Without the combination of all those things I think reg is a dull and generally ineffective character... relatively speaking, of course. The true disparity between the effectiveness of the tier 1 and tier 2 DGs isn't nearly as bad as it seems, we've just played the same meta over and over so many times that the moderate and small issues have been magnified.

On the other hand I think TB actually does quite well without all the artificial modifications, in the end he just needs a functioning fire form autoattack. Fire Aura alone is an outrageous team buff and I think we'll see him as a tier 1.5 type character after his AA is fixed while reg will still be second tier. That being said, frost TB does fairly well as-is and unlike reg I think his design concept is pretty valid, he's just a very tedious and technical character to play as and against (few people can resist the temptation to use Deep Freeze primarily as a damage spell isntead of a mitigation ability at the start of a fight).

I respectfully disagree with you about reg and invite you to a 3v3 on cata with good teams, to prove you are wrong. I never had mana issues with reg and I use all his active 3 skills. Of course, I always carry a mana potion with me just in case. Middle-Late game I've been able to solo ub, oak, and even erebus and have them retreat. And no, they weren't noobs. Too many people say reg is weak, but they didn't actually tried it's best or simply had bad teammates as reg.

I also respectfully disagree about sedna - in 1v1, 2v2 and even 3v3 she cannot be killed or pushed out of the lane (if played right). It also gives allies insta 1.1-1.7k heals without even investing in level 1 heal (hint hint wind2 + bishop)

Without trying to bragg, just answering your question - Yes, I can play any demigod at a decent/high level. In fact, most of my late games are played as Random.

Thank you, that's very kind of you

And sorry for the triple post, but I wanted to reply to each one separate

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