Yah was gonna suggest you go to a tier system

I guess I'll start with a few nominations for Tier 1

Orcun - (caveat - MIA?)  Orcun's Reg is a classic Snipe-control with perfect map awareness, but what makes his UB Tier 1 is that it survives when it shouldn't, you think he's a goner and he just keeps on coming way past where other strong UB players have to back off or die.  He stresses the limitations and maxes the strengths of his DGs better than most any other player, and balances it with great team leadership when the chips are down

Posidenii - (MIA)  The best teleport amulet Rook in the business.  Period.  Posidenii is popping up towers all over the map, rescuing his teammates, taking portals, and slamming enemies seemingly all at the same time.  It's hard to say if he has a strong endgame because early and mid are so powerful that he hasn't needed one, but this guy's meta is superb. 

Atma44x - your experiences with Atma44x will be wildly uneven if he is playing a General, but the guy makes TB dance.  He and msnt's team were one of two serious challenges to Posidenii's premade, back in the day.  Good Rook, too. 

Tier II -

Saiitan - solid Rook, pulls Hail Mary boulders out of nowhere

Wipuliwo - solid Erebus, knows the game

Ragarth - this guy was good eight months ago and just recently got back into it.  He is a bit rusty but his strategic grasp is sharp as ever

franmella - solid all round player

iceninelol - strong ice TB


MIA -

Team Wagnard/Flurus/Ultime - best Beta team.  They were stunlocking when you were a babe in swaddling clothes

Shadow/RapierX, etc.  - they weren't the first, but probably the best minion exploiters out there and a fine coordinated team even without. 

iPhire/Tiny4Ever, Glist, etc. - a group loosely affilated with Shadow, solid team players 

The Russians - UndeadStyle, LuckyGrin, The_Bune, etc. -  These guys were good

Ivorgor - v strong UB, perfect complement to Posidenii's Rook

Kitkun - great Sedna

Antioch/Lifeslazypuppet/Foreshadowed - Fore was a dumbass, but the team knew how to play.  Antioch and Fore would play Sedna/QoT 2v2 and demolish..

Dalzk - solid Reg, TB, UB, Erb

I watched the replay you posted Esuzu.  I focused primarily on NinkiCZ's erebus.  Solid play.  Great map awareness.  Clearly a good teammate.  Easily deserves to be in tier 2 at least based on this game.   I noticed that Wip was dying a bit and appeared to be the primary target in several battles... not a single bit of armor mitigation.  Stacked health 100%... no armor.  Just found that surprizing. 

I meant for the focus to be on versatility rather than just great at 1v1, 2v2, etc.  I was thinking how I typically only played 3v3 cata or 2v2 prison at one point.  Even though I was pretty solid on those maps in those configurations, I was terrible initially in 2v2 on cata because I simply wasn't used to playing that map with 2's.  I play a bunch more games, now I'm good at 2v2 on cata or any configuration on any map.  So, a tier 1 player's game shouldn't go to crap because they are doing 2v2 on cata, imo.

Yep cause i know that i can compete with some of the best players on 3v3 cata and with erebus and a few other conditions but put me in a 2v2 or 4v4 and i have no clue what to do

General rule for 3v3 Levi (which btw is why 3v3 Levi sucks ass) is if you are on the solo-man side do not cap the neutral portal. Early level, one person cannot push a tower alone, and if they cap the portal you can get the xp from the creeps standing roughly halfway between the two towers. You get a double xp advantage on them then proceed to rape face and dominate the lane.

Of course, before you go home/shop and once you do start dominating the lane you should cap the portal for warscore.

Never do this in 4v4 Levi, except MAYBE levels 1-3. Many two-man demigod teams can rape a tower's face off even if another demigod is there. Plus, 4v4 Levi warscore is enormous since there are twice the amount of creeps

anyone have any thoughts on Ke5trel's tier 2 recommendations?

Played with Wipuliwo - agree

So many names around here - I guess even you guys don´t know all players who have decent skill because you can´t meet them all on the battlefield.

So I think this "elite" list you are going to make shows just a small portion of what good players are around there. I played alot recently, even premade games (played only pantheon the time before since release but generals vs assasssins is very unbalanced if players of same skill clash together), so I met a few guys mentioned in the list above but also guys not mentioned at all, who are really good players.

Are you sure you can get an overlook of "all" players active out there or are those guys just the best of your favourite friendlist ?

Well that depends on what Tier2 means. If Tier2 is supposed to be players with whom you'd comfortably play a 3v3 or 2v2 match against some of the best players out there then you need to seriously cut a lot of people off that list. If you intend for the play to be of average level when Tier2 players fight other Tier2 players then you need to define what average is.

Based on my observations for the two players on this list that play I can say I think they're not good.

Wipuliwo:

No armor, ok not a good idea but whatever, so many people on that list are so-so, I guess one flaw can be forgiven.

TERRIBLE BEAST BUILD. I watched that same replay you watched Pacov; Let's be honest and say that Acclimation is one of the best abilities in the game, especially when fighting against Oak or Torchbearer in a 3v3. This guy goes with stats. It shows a lack of understanding of the game that I can't understand at all and in any game that goes to level 15 he'd get trumped by a lot of plpayers who do understand it. I don't agree with his choice of favor item either but whatever, so many people have different opinions about that stuff so we'll leave it out of consideration.

Overall I would not like to play with him in a game against good players, they'd capitalize heavy on his flawed skillset and items. If that still qualifies him as Tier2? Yea probably, he's certainly better than Hemb_Boy who was also in that game and if he's already on the Tier2 list I guess the standard is pretty low.

Ragarth:

I played with him before and he plays a no heal sedna. Nilanthi does this as well and it's a terrible idea. He dies a lot because he just doesn't have heal and I have no idea why anyone would bother picking sedna if you're not taking heal, it's just not good. Wether he's a Tier2 player? Depends on the definition again. I'm not taking him to any tournament but then when are those ever going to happen again...

From the feeling of the OP Tier 2 is not a very limiting skill level. It has a lot of ... loopholes. "only good on certain teams or certain modes or certain demigods". It doesn't actually imply a heavy understanding of the game, which is a bit unfortunante. Tier 1 is someone who seems to understand "all" aspects of the game, but then also limits it to 10-20 people. It'd be hard to say that only 10-20 people understand this game.

pacov i'd really appreciate it if u didnt put me on that list and as for that record game it was a pretty bad game bcuz someone doesnt matter who decided we shouldnt group fight them lol and ye call me noob but u'll only see me stacking hp on my ub

ke5trel thks for bringing me up but u made a crucial mistake "Ivorgor - v strong UB, perfect complement to Posidenii's Rook" i am the perfect complement for his rook with my ub and if he comes here and says i'm not i'll uninstall this game lol

kingslet i wouldnt wanna play with u on a good players game either and u forgot to say that i'm also better than u and ur on that list so its a pretty damn low standart how dare u ******* noob to comment on my build prison 13 minutes does that remind u of something?

On the list there is somebody named Hemp_guy I think it should be Hemp_boy probably right?

I played a game yesterday (this replay) with Karebears and Kollecktir who seemed really promising for tier 2 list imo. I've only played 1 game with them though but perhaps other's have played with them that know more?

@GeneralGonzo  - one of the premises of this list is that because many of us don't play together, we rely on others providing feedback and recommendations.  That said, the list is moderated and approved by a few.  Maybe throw up a couple of replays?  I'm quite certain there are several great players out there that I've never personally come in contact with. 

@Wipuliwo - per your request, you won't be added to the list or evaluated any further. 

Tier 2 is meant by me to be a catch all for talented individuals that aren't quite at the level of tier 1.  Maybe a better description is needed, but that's what I'm shooting for.

Methinks the rule should be that whenever a name is recommended it should be accompanied by a replay in order to validate it.

Yes. I think we can agree somewhat. I find item choices and skill builds just as important as good gameplay hence why I think amazing Hero is a great great player but I think his item choices aren't optimal which hurts him despite him being on par with many tier I players.