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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Jan 08, 2010

I'm sorry but what is the most impressive Orcun replay? Is it the one where he spams snipe on renewal reg and inevitably loses?

I think Orcun gets alot of props from many because he pugged alot and had more exposure as a result.  I'm still putting him forward for tier 1, but not based on my personal experiences.  I just never saw quite what many people indicate set him so far apart.  Not to slight him as quite a few people think he's the bee's knees.  All irrelevant if he doesn't get his butt back playing dg.  This ain't the hall of fame.  It's a ranking of ACTIVE players

 

on Jan 08, 2010

pfft hey played those 2 random games against each other pacov  Wooooo sedna - tb beating ub / oak

 

Edit:  It's mostly because he pugs a lot.  He IS a good player.. but the pugging gives exposure.  

on Jan 08, 2010

I'll add what I think to that list. Haven't played with that many of them though.

 


Archon_SAAR - Archon is a very good and helpful player, I think he might be considered as Tier 1 perhaps.

Epiphenomenon (beast) - Epi is also a great player, a very very solid Tier 2 though.


gl_Mithrander (oak + erb) - Well he definetly is a Tier 2 but i wouldn't go as far as tier 1.

Hemp_Boy/rnz0  -I'd say Tier 2 here aswell.

Jona_ (beast) - Been a long time since I played with Jona_ but I'd probably say Tier 2 here aswell.

 

 

Lordi17 (oak + erb) - Long time ago here aswell. Probably only tier 2 imo.


ThatGuyYoulove (oak)  - Guy plays very good except when he does silly Oak minion builds. Not sure whether he if he is tier 1 good though.

on Jan 08, 2010

I'm sorry but what is the most impressive Orcun replay? Is it the one where he spams snipe on renewal reg and inevitably loses?

I think Orcun gets alot of props from many because he pugged alot and had more exposure as a result.  I'm still putting him forward for tier 1, but not based on my personal experiences.  I just never saw quite what many people indicate set him so far apart.  Not to slight him as quite a few people think he's the bee's knees.  All irrelevant if he doesn't get his butt back playing dg.  This ain't the hall of fame.  It's a ranking of ACTIVE players

 

 

No one's going to put replays up of themselves getting dominated by Orcun.  He doesn't post them and most of the people he plays with don't either.  He's a humble guy, probably going to be upset that all this fuss is being made over him.  Ninki says he's on vacation in Turkey right now, I'm sure he'll be back.

on Jan 08, 2010

Anyway this is a replay of me alter and Wong, not the best example because I was QoT and wong was reg when he really is a minion user.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106515

on Jan 08, 2010

Alright, I got nothing better to do anyway.
Green for 1st tier, Orange for 2nd and black for N/A



2nana
Abuggeredhedgie (sedna)
Alberto
Alterschism 
Amazing_Hero (oak)
Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
Atma44x (torch bearer)
bloodlust
cowbuttzex (tb + oak)
Darz4 (qot)
destroyer989 (reg, but good w all)
DiceAreEvil (demon assassin)
Epiphenomenon (beast)
ErksaConti (sedna)
Esuzu

eXborderline (oak + erb)
eXXcentric (nominated himself)
Frogboy (erb)
FutileEmotion
gaabriel
gkrit (oak) imo his UB is better than his oak
gl_Mithrander (oak + erb)
Hemp_Boy/rnz0 
irek1988 (reg)
Izuz (oak)
Janook
JayKayz (erb)
Jona_ (beast)
JudeTepes
kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg)
Ke5trel


killer_oak(oak)
Kingslet (oak)
Lethstang (oak + ub)
lifekatana
Lordi17 (oak + erb)
Maccilia

Mcshane87 (sedna + tb + oak)
morpheas768 (erebus)
Murder_DN (UB) 
mybones92 (support oak + mist erb + rook)
Naur (oak + da + reg) (this guy is nasty with anything and any team)
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
nzac
Obiwhan (oak + beast)
Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
Ogham (oak + sed)
Orcun_BL (reg + beast)
pacov (beast + reg)
Pantz (beast) (ooze monster)
Peterdumptruck (minion erebus/minion oak)
PhYCE
Posidenii (rook)
rawrrr (beast)
receiver
Sakke
Sevenix
Shade (erebus)
Shinobinomono (rook)
Shred_demon (demon assassin)
spooky_
Swoxks
Teseer
ThatGuyYoulove (oak) (inb4 teammate)
trousersnake (rook + beast)
Tukulis
tshughes (erebus)
Vesuvius

Also not on list but still green players:
-Heros-temp, Princeminardi, Jay_Budi
Not on list but 2nd tier:
Zenjiro, Zen_God, StanVee, zelolol

 

Oh here it comes. This pretty much shows why tiers are bad but whatever. 

 

Rnz, I'm more than a little bit offended that you put me in tier II, despite playing only two games with me which you may remeber ended in your defeat while the other had me -when we were teamed up- with a significant favor lead with queen. Link

P.S. I'm a regular teammate of archon so I'm a little bit biased here, but apart from some minor overaggressiveness and (too?)heavy relience on sigils he is a very good player and his Regulus is just the best I've seen.

on Jan 08, 2010

awuffleablehedgie
"Hedgie, I remember my first game with the Pacov vent group, trying to play my Oak.  I was such a little nublet!"


I meant like... when we first met eachother, several months ago. You were like "irek, remember me from gameranger!" and then we hung out. I was screwing around with Queen at the time and we did a 2v2 against the DN clan where I was Queen and you were Oak on Prison against a UB/Sed combo. You were certainly still getting the feel for things, esp since your playstyle seemed derived from the Heart of Life days I was talking about those. I don't really remember your first game on Pacov's vent I may have been inactive.

 

Yup I remember that game.

on Jan 08, 2010

peterdumptruck shouldnt be on that list. he rage afks and therefore doesnt belong there even if he plays well.

on Jan 08, 2010

ThatGuyYouLove
Cowbutt you keep forgetting me.

I'm boxxy_Koush, we've played like 3 or 4 times together. I should mention they all ended in my win but that's not the point

Those games were well over 2 months ago. I highly doubt the outcome would be the same.

on Jan 08, 2010

"Rnz, I'm more than a little bit offended that you put me in tier II,"

And that is my issue with this, really.

On one hand, we have tier 1 is the best "10-30 players in this game" (OP). We have a numerical value for what consitutes a tier 1 player but no qualitative way of determining if someone is tier 1. Just "Are you one of the best 10-30 players?". An issue of course is that players 1,2,3 maybe close in skill but players' 1 and 28's skill level may be more distant than 28 and a tier 2 player.

Plus, in my opinion, single games don't prove anything. Best out of 9 over the course of multiple days with different demigods/maps? Sure, that proves things. But one single game "oh yeah. I beat you 2 months ago in that pug!" really don't prove anything to me at all and that's one of the reasons I loath replays. Plus who the fuck cares about 2 months ago?

Quite frankly, I really don't think 10 people qualify for tier 1 because I really just hold it in such a high opinion. Maybe five.

On that list as SINGLE PLAYERS only (no teams. Which in some ways is stupid in my opinion because this is a team game but I understand where Pacov is coming from, you can't just fall apart without your partner)  the people who I would consider that are active would be Dice, Orcun, Janook. But even then, I've beaten them. Does that make me better than them? Not really :-/ I just think that Dice, Orcun just play with whoever and still manage to make it a good game. Janook less so but he is still an excellent player (he avoids playing with people he doesn't know against good players, rather. This isn't something that is to be ashamed of, that is just something that is held against you in this list) and he does a lot of premade v premade, which is more important anyway in my opinion so...

Numerically speaking, obviously some players need to be moved up. Since the criteria seems to be based on just being adaptive and knowing how to play with whoever against whatever well. Those aren't the criteria I would pick since everyone has bad days. I do prefer Krestal's tiers at the same time (they were similar to mine) but even then... people play better when on their team than otherwise which is something the OP disqualifies from this list. 

Anyway, I think that the tier 2 list should, can and will swell. This just means we have good players in this game and ffs that's a good thing! Tier 1 however... :-/ I dunno if that'll ever exist except for the numerical sense.

Eg, I really don't consider myself an awesome player. However, I can beat people who are awesome players. (really don't like to brag about it though >.< don't even like typing this out honestly). However, NUMERICALLY speaking I probably would sit in the top 100 players ( I know I do according to broken stats ). Dunno about 10-30 I think that's pushing it xP

I dunno. I really just think we need a fully established definition of tier 1 because it's very sloppy and ... misdirected in my opinion.

on Jan 08, 2010

The list is pointless really...

its nice to get nominated and all.

Take a good few years and a good few tourneys and then we would get results.

on Jan 09, 2010

AmaZinG_HerO
The list is pointless really...

its nice to get nominated and all.

Take a good few years and a good few tourneys and then we would get results.
It's gonna be a pretty short list in a few years, and not because a series of tourneys will have determined who the best are.

on Jan 09, 2010

Just had a game with Horsestrangler/obs was a slaughter fest. It was vers some premade I beleive because they asked me to open slots for their friend. Take it or leave it.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106547

After this game my opinion was refreshed on Horse's skill, I would say for sure 2nd tier and a great candidate for 1st tier. I haven't played enough recently to make the big decision yet. Nice Rook.

on Jan 09, 2010

Cowbuttzex
Just had a game with Horsestrangler/obs was a slaughter fest. It was vers some premade I beleive because they asked me to open slots for their friend. Take it or leave it.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106547

After this game my opinion was refreshed on Horse's skill, I would say for sure 2nd tier and a great candidate for 1st tier. I haven't played enough recently to make the big decision yet. Nice Rook.

Just watched your replay, you're acting as if it was you and Obscenitor vs 3 people.  The beast on your team had an excellent game.  He could've easily had 7 kills and he bought timely upgrades.  I nominate him for tier 2.

 

on Jan 09, 2010

Actually, in order for anybody to apply for the top best players award, I think they should be very well rounded in both Pantheon and Custom games, not just custom games with Pre-made teams (anybody with a consistently decent partner as an ally playing Pugs all the time can rack up wins with little effort).

 

They should be able to demonstrate that they can win the vast majority of games they play regardless of their team mate's skills (assuming the partner is at the very least not a feeder).

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