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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Jan 09, 2010

Cowbuttzex


Hemp_Boy/rnz0  - Last time I played he either intentionally desynced game or it was an accident, either way my team of NinkiCZ and some one else destroyed his team. Otherwise can't comment on him.

 

 

Also cow, I was in this game, saying destroyed is a bit over the top here.  You guys were up 2  or 3 kills and pressing but it still would've been a long game.  Plus it was 3 top level players (you, ninki and wipuliwo) vs me, hemp, and prozombe, an average player who no one's ever heard of.  Hardly a reasonable game to assess hemp by, who is a dynamite player by the way.

on Jan 09, 2010

Actually, in order for anybody to apply for the top best players award, I think they should be very well rounded in both Pantheon and Custom games, not just custom games with Pre-made teams (anybody with a consistently decent partner as an ally playing Pugs all the time can rack up wins with little effort).

premade teams playing only custom games CANNOT be in tier 1.  So says pacov.  You earn your stripes in pugs.

Its not insanely hard for me to stack a premade team and win all the time.

 

on Jan 09, 2010

@lifekatana

Man I am sorry you feel that way, but I based my list from many match experiences, its nothing personal and I stand by what I've picked. I've played plenty of matches with/against you, and the main reason I put you in tier 2 was because most games I've played with/against you at one point when you feel unsure about the game you will start whining about whatnot which is demoralizing for any team. IMO Tier 1 is all about being innovative and shining out,  and fighting against the worst odds.

P.S. Compliments on winning against me in that one game.

Sorry about being off topic pacov.

on Jan 09, 2010

I don't really see the value of pantheon games... They're just a means to pad your win record and pass time between competitive games when it comes down to it.

on Jan 09, 2010

premade teams playing only custom games CANNOT be in tier 1.  So says pacov.  You earn your stripes in pugs.

Its not insanely hard for me to stack a premade team and win all the time.

 

and it's not insanely hard for you to stack a pug and win all the time either.

on Jan 09, 2010

 

@lifekatana

Man I am sorry you feel that way, but I based my list from many match experiences, its nothing personal and I stand by what I've picked. I've played plenty of matches with/against you, and the main reason I put you in tier 2 was because most games I've played with/against you at one point when you feel unsure about the game you will start whining about whatnot which is demoralizing for any team. IMO Tier 1 is all about being innovative and shining out,  and fighting against the worst odds.

P.S. Compliments on winning against me in that one game.

Sorry about being off topic pacov.

 

Many match experiences? Seriously? We only played like I don't know 2 times... which I both won. So all of this is just some hypothetical situation where you actually played me

If you consider whining getting stuck with noobs(ie yeti sedna noobs, or plate guard, you know THOSE kind of noobs) then getting pissed of/leaving then yes. I like the fighting against bad odds just as the next player, but there's a difference between bad odds and yeti sedna odds. I have a life outside of this game and my time is not unlimited so yes I sometimes leave these super stacked games against me to have time to play games with friends(Which I in contrast to many many players around here actually balance, and I don't mind sitting in the other team). Nonetheless you NEVER played such a game with me. Regardless playing with yeti sednas to proof how heroically good you are is not a requirement for being good.  

But if playing with bad odds was an actual requirement lets just check your stats, the inconsequent bastard you are. The game where I won against you, YOU RAGEQUITTED YOUR OWN TEAM. You say I am the leaver here while you almost never played me and when you did YOU LEFT. And that game wasen't even so bad for you. For instance you insulted your UB Auroson(who should be in tier II atleast) for allegdely dieing not getting bots(he got BotS and used it brilliantly) and pretty much everytime you blamed auroson for losing the game. Auroson did not die ONCE, he DOMINATED his lane, was able to push us all out with mass spitting and got lots of kills. You AS EREBUS died multiple times, was generally not even close as usefull as Auroson.

 

P.S. Lol. That was just a stupid PUG, not me defeating your awesome skillzorz.

on Jan 09, 2010

I don't really see the value of pantheon games... They're just a means to pad your win record and pass time between competitive games when it comes down to it.

 

Exactly how I see many custom matches, as you can pick and choose who you want on your team based on win %. You can't choose your team mate in Pantheon.

on Jan 09, 2010

I find the amount of rage over a small objective list made in a forum funny.

on Jan 09, 2010

Where to start...

Cowbuttzex


Those games were well over 2 months ago. I highly doubt the outcome would be the same.

Well, instead of talking about it. Let us arrange some kind of match? Got a partner or something?

@lifekatana

I know we are friends and all, but a tier one character is someone who when I go into a lobby, I know they will be menancing. I don't really get that vibe from you. You are a good player but to be in the best tier? Nah.

Also..



premade teams playing only custom games CANNOT be in tier 1.  So says pacov.  You earn your stripes in pugs.

Its not insanely hard for me to stack a premade team and win all the time

 

Screw that, I played with pugs all the time in pantheon in epoch 1 and 2. I'm done with that crap/headaches over weak plays and no aggression. I only seek out high level players rather then randoms.

Also a side note. Orcun is the best dog in the game, if he isn't guaranteed a spot in tier one that this list is a joke.

on Jan 09, 2010

Now thatguy and me again played 2 matches which he both won. However the first was me with Demon Assasin when DA was just released and had me with the inferior team. He got 2 kills of some noob in early game and the rest had him walking around with 7k+ and sigils which made it kinda hard for me as DA to do anything. The second game had me in PUB game(with a guy with less than 40 games) against my own premade and Thatguy. May I also add that this obviously imbalanced game was actually launched because thatguy constantly whined and just refused to play in a team without two good players(which would be fair since then it would be 2 good platyers and a medium vs 2 good players and a medium. So yeah. But it's better than Renz because you actually won.

tl;dr play me with you know even odds where I don't have to carry a team of noobs with DA.

on Jan 09, 2010

hola guys ,

K, second try to claim myself Last time Cow said Prussian-Havoc so-so player and even not listed in any of both tier.

 Now atleast two players from opp team are listed. Still playing with BotS as favor and still think it's better for UB then BotF.

here is the fresh replay, played it a hour ago - Ke5trel,nomilarac,morpheas768 vs. Auroson1c,mikeg29907,[ShakeNBake]:


http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106600

 

Also want to claim nomilarac, he is great with LE.

 

PS: 2 lifecatana - tnx for warm words to my game skillz.

 

 

on Jan 09, 2010

gg auro - shake was a v good sedna considering he was playing Random

 

on Jan 09, 2010

Screw that, I played with pugs all the time in pantheon in epoch 1 and 2. I'm done with that crap/headaches over weak plays and no aggression. I only seek out high level players rather then randoms.

A game with high level players that you aren't in a pre with is a PUG.  So long as there are no prearranged teams, its a pug.  And obviously, you can play however you want.  I'm just saying that being great in a premade is not always equal to being great in a pug.  The distinction I'm making is that a tier 1 player would do well in either pre or pug.  So, a tier 1 player is good not just in 2v2 on prison or 3v3 on cata or only in a premade, etc.  A tier 1 player can do it all.  And frankly, I don't think many people on the current tier 2 list are individuals that only play in premade teams, so I don't even think this is that big an issue.  The posts I make at 3am...

 

 

on Jan 09, 2010

Ke5trel
gg auro - shake was a v good sedna considering he was playing Random

 

I'll check out the replay a little later today auro.  Thanks for posting it!

on Jan 09, 2010

HorseStrangler

I don't really see the value of pantheon games... They're just a means to pad your win record and pass time between competitive games when it comes down to it.

Agreed.  I just go there for laid back games.

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