I don't see what ThatGuy actually did with queen that made him a tier I player. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent player and should certainly be tier I for his assasins, but this?

First of all he pretends that this battle was unwinnable from the start, and while I would totally agree that his teammates weren't The best the opposition played sedna TB which is a lousy combination and had one general. While he played queen/oak/UB which is a very good selection and imho wholy competetive even against fullhouse(erebus/UB/oak). While his teammates weren't the best they certainly weren't that bad and I pretty sure a good queen would have won this. There was one point where his team managed to wipe out the enemy which showed how good spikes really are. If he had pushed that advantage instead of foolishly returning to base.(he could have desrtoyed a tower, capped gold and leveled up in that time).

Let me start. He begins with a cookie cutter build, level up shield and spikes with cloack of night. Now I don't agree with this build, but even if we forgive him for that... he takes mulch I and II but DOESNT take shamblers. Mulch is COMPLETLY useless without shamblers. 

Early game he doesnt shield his allies at crystal. Then overextends and has to retun to base at level 2(for the record I as a queen player don't leave a lane till atleast level 7), then buys scaled, a port and A SIGIL?? He has 2k hp and he buys a sigil? Now most of ThatGuy games revolve around attacking running back to base, getting lots of sigils and a port and trying to gank someone. That's basically his whole strat, and while thats fine for UB... he does it with queen too. 

Later on he gets plenor helm without vlemisch, which gives him(scaled+cloack of night+naturalregen=12) 120% mps(from closed buff and plenor helm) and 1500 mana, this is around 25 mps. If he had taken vlemisch he would have had (scaled+cloack+vlemisch+natural regen=28) 42 mps and 1k mana extra.  Thats 17 mps more than with plenor. 500/17= 29 secs to regen the 500 mana.
Midgame goes on with him running to the lane, expending mana/health and fighting a battle and running back and that leaves him undereleveled(lvl 6 vs lvl 8) which as queen is a very bad thing to do.

For the rest his build is littered with bad skill choices and itemisation(sigils+hauberk...), and tbh the reason he doesnt die is because the other team lacks enough Tier I to really turn up the pain(only UB) and his sigil abuse. Oh yeah and sheer luck. There were around 8 situations where he would be dead if the other team had focused him properly, chain stunned/deep frozen/silenced him.

I really think that a Tier 1 player should play ALL 10 demigods more than decent. It doesn't matter if he can play only 3-4 demigods very well, that's still Tier 2.

I myself struggle to play all demigods and lately I'm learning the 2 new additions. This is somthing I haven't seen from the rest of those who nominate themselves as 'Gods'; They are just happy to play the same UB/Oak/Sedna they've been playing for ages.

Don't get me wrong, they are good players, but unless they can handle well each and every demigod, they shouldn't be in Tier 1.

Then I don't think we have a tier 1 player....

How so...there are quite a few players (5-10) who are able to play all more than decent, I myself play them all.

I still find this thread laughable (communal e-masturbation FTW!  ), but as a farewell to the game (too many wrong things with it for me, from 10 months old bugs or almighty characters as Erebus, to name calling assholes as PeterDumpTruck or self-appointed, bigger-than-life egos community judges ), i'd like to show my appreciation for Naur, every game i've played with or against him he has managed to carry his team to victory no matter what (picked demigod, teammates or whatever),aside from being a nice guy all along, haven't read a single bad word from him.

Cheers to all the nice guys i've played with, magnus333, tanisraystlin, Damascene, AmmonDeNihil, and all those others that play demigod as a game and not as a life-or-death competition but i cant recall here, i apologize for my short memory.

*Right click Demigod, Uninstall*

Sorry to see you go, nom.

Man there are so many things wrong with life's suggestions I don't know where to start.

Screw that, I was trying to win like it was nobodies business. Whenever I am up against renz, you will see me fight tooth and nail.

First of all I had demibug die a few times due to bad plays feeding a VERY STRONG team of Renz and McShane, now I don't know if you've played with McShane but he is a total badass. In that one point you are talking about where we did beat two of them, if you actually watching I did try to push, I ran towards the base but they had giants that were crushing me, I had to pop a sigil. I was around 1500 after sigiled and I knew I was extremely gankable still, so I thought at least my teammates could try and run and flag capture but no, this is where pugging isn't great.

*sigh* Let me guess, you would rather me go SHAMBLES against a TB. Yeah, because minions and uproot works well against a TB and DOG WITH OOZE. So yeah my bad, I should of gone morale...*Rolls eyes*. And cloak of the night saves a QoT many a time, not to mention the added mana regen, so no idea what you do anyway.

Regarding Mulch that is my own style of play. There is absoluetly no point in prioriting shamblers over mulch and vice versa. They both suck till you get level 2 mulch, when I get level two mulch, I can then invest one level into shamblers so I can then pull one out and eat it straight away. I don't attack with shamblers, espically against UB and TB. If you need me to spell it out for you.

If I got 1 level of shamblers at 11. Then Mulch and 12. Mulch again at 13, the result would be exactly the same because there is no way I'm using shamblers just to get that little 750 pay off when I could be spamming my combat skills. The result is the same, I'm not even using mulch till 13 regardless. You are just not using any common sense.

I've never ever understood the point of shield at crystal, this is what happens. You shield at crystal, your teammates goes to the xp flag, the people on the enemy team don't get the flag and go to mana and hp, then by the time the person you shielded gets to hp or mana, HIS SHIELD RUNS OUT. All this does is waste QoT's own time shielding at the crystal and trying to bring mana back up. I rather not waste time and just go for the fight straight away. My main play style was to play off the UB, if we didn't get kills or let our selfs get ganked, we might as well of conceded straight away. And yes I get sigils because luring is a very viable strategy, almost no one expects and early game sigil when overcommiting, that sigil may give me time to reshield and bring my allies close enough to make sure he does not escape. I am allowed to overextend too, that is the fun of CLOAK, it lets you try and steal a gold mine.

I will leave it with that because that is the icing on the troll cake. McShane and Renz are wayyy better then you can ever be.

I know you are is bit fustrated with me, and I ate your troll cake right up (My regards to the chief) but get over it man. I can just tell you are trying nit-pick over every little play, but every little thing is justifiable and I wouldn't change a thing about how I played. I stand by my desicions as you were making problems where there were none.

And if you even think about claiming (Even thinking) you are better then Renz or Shane, simply let us make a match, no need to make claims or whine and moan, just let us make a match. I would enjoy uploading that replay.

PS. I can play as all 10 gods to a decent level at least, I have at least one build for each of them, but what do you want me to do, upload a replay with each character of me playing decently to good? Nonsense.

that's retarded, stop stroking yourself.

It's retarded to think it's retarded If the team needs a TB or ROOk and you only play Oak/UB, what good are you for the team?

Think before jumping on someone's arse.

And no, I don't think I'm Tier 1, I'm good at 2. I just said that half of players nominated for 1 can't play more than 2-3 chars. LAME

This whole thread is turning into an ego fest...

If I were, hypothetically, the best UB+Oak in the game (again, hypothetically, I am nowhere near the best) I would feel more than justified making someone who was not the best UB/Oak play Rook or TB, even if they weren't very good with that character. If I'm the best going to something I'm not very good at, then the change in potential rape-face is larger than if a merely "above averate" player goes to something they aren't very good at.

A tier 1 player should really know how to recognize and counter every DG's builds. Know how to play them? Not quite so important.

Of course, one-trick pony's probably aren't well qualified for tier 1. But if you can play 3 demigods more then adeptly, and play at least 5 well I think that's more than good enough. I mean, all it takes to play demigod in general "decently" is:

Sigil

Port when needed

LOCK THE F'KING PORTAL

Watch the map, don't fall for traps and don't overextend

I mean, more than half of playing decently doesn't even involve using your demigod or demigod's skill effectively.

Also, that Guy getting Mulch before shamblers made me lol. Even if you don't summon a single shambler level 11 it makes no sense to me to get Mulch before Shamblers.

Oh wait, maybe he was trying to do a modification of Zechnophobe's build?

@archon: I "play" every demigod too, but playing is not the same as being good. I play TB and reg, but I'm sure Irahi is way better than me in freezing every living thing on the field and will have a lot of comments about my playstyle, just as you would cringe if you'd see me play a distilled copy of your regulus. And the same as Celmare and Saul would absolutely be horrified if you'd tell them that you play a no heal sedna.

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@archon: I "play" every demigod too, but playing is not the same as being good. I play TB and reg, but I'm sure Irahi is way better than me in freezing every living thing on the field and will have a lot of comments about my playstyle, just as you would cringe if you'd see me play a distilled copy of your regulus. And the same as Celmare and Saul would absolutely be horrified if you'd tell them that you play a no heal sedna."

hehe no heal Sedna is fun ^^;

Toodles Nom, if it weren't for Occulus I'd be joining you.  Who knows how long he will hold my attention.  I agree on every point.