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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Jan 20, 2010

ok, fellas.  I started adding my tier 1 picks to the list.  Need to see replay or play with Archon_Saar.  Missed my chance to play with lifekatana a few days back.  Hope to get a chance again, too.

I basically reviewed the list of tier 2's and bumped up players based on my personal experience and replay's I've watched.

on Jan 20, 2010

Yes, I'll be on at US times in the weekend, on regular days I need to sleep.  

on Jan 20, 2010

Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.

  • ErksaConti (sedna)
  • Hemp_Boy/rnz0
  • IamKira
  • Janook (I am shameless)
  • magnus333
  • morpheas768 (erebus)
  • NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
  • Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
  • pacov (beast + reg)
  • Sakke

Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.

on Jan 20, 2010

Archon_Saar
well...you know from the other two threads that I second Kevin to the shame/players to avoid list

Archon, I´m really disappointed by your behaviour. Your just a stats looking guy, giving people no chance. If I hadn´t played that damn pantheon gen vs ass I would have a bout 65% stats like before the patch. Would that have fit you better?

I´m ashamed by the "good" players of this community and will see that a new game will be found with a kinder community. Sorry, but all are just watching stats. It´s frustrating!

on Jan 20, 2010

Janook
Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.


ErksaConti (sedna)
Hemp_Boy/rnz0
IamKira
Janook (I am shameless)

magnus333
morpheas768 (erebus)
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
pacov (beast + reg)
Sakke

Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.

The biggeset issue is that Tier 1, as it stands now, is NOT a "numerically the best 10-30  players". It has several other qualifications that Erska and Sakke just plain don't meet

on Jan 20, 2010

Janook


On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

 

You are kiding me right? We played only one (1) short game, where we were 2v3 anyway because of raging...is a game enough to make an impression on someone's skill? If so, then you also belong to tier 2 at best, because you didnt impress me either....but then again, that game wasn't even a game...

 

Plus, half of your list has nothing to do with Tier 1 (including you).

 

Btw, Trouserssnake's rook wasnt that good, but then again maybe it's not his fault, Levi is not a rook friendly map.

on Jan 20, 2010

GeneralGonzo


Archon, I´m really disappointed by your behaviour. Your just a stats looking guy, giving people no chance. If I hadn´t played that damn pantheon gen vs ass I would have a bout 65% stats like before the patch. Would that have fit you better?

 

Not at all, I'm basing my decisions on personal experiences. I knew how you play and I also knew renz0 and Mooks (the other team). You are an ok player, but trust me, those 2 are way over your league....no offence. I wouldn't have played you in that setup even if you had 90%.

on Jan 20, 2010

As said before: that list above means nothing. Just played a 3on3 against shred_demon who is listed above and was really disappointed by his game. Maybe it was because he played UB, but he was killed several times and he even said "gg", though not ending the game, which we finally still lost because comrades thought citadel upgrades aren´t that important

Have a look at the replay and judge afterwards. Comments here are welcome! 

ok, maybe this works:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=107823

on Jan 20, 2010

lol. First Archon denies being uberly awesomely leet then gets angry when people call him only tier 2

on Jan 20, 2010

Janook
Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.


ErksaConti (sedna)
Hemp_Boy/rnz0
IamKira
Janook (I am shameless)

magnus333
morpheas768 (erebus)
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
pacov (beast + reg)
Sakke
Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.

Funny, when is the last time you have played with me? 3 months ago?

I can't comment on you because its been way to long. As for Magnus333 I always beat him when hes against me so I would have to say tier 2 for him. The rest of your list I agree with.

on Jan 20, 2010

awuffleablehedgie
lol. First Archon denies being uberly awesomely leet then gets angry when people call him only tier 2

 

I was angry because of the words 'at best', not because he put me in tier 2 I think I am 1.5, so not 1, but not 2 'at best'

on Jan 20, 2010

As said before: that list above means nothing.

hehe.  Well, it means something, its just not the end all be all greatest list of all time, dominating with its absolute accuracy.  Its subjective.  Try not to take much offense if you aren't on the list.  Could be that you are a great player, but I simply haven't had the opportunity to play much with you.  Glad we were able to get at least 1 in today, though.  And thanks for the replay - I'll check it out. 

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.

* ErksaConti (sedna) - inactive since Dec 1st - I personally found his greatest strength being with his premade teammate, sakke.  Without his teammate, I found him to be much less effective.  With his teammate, easily tier 1 with Sakke, but this list isn't supposed to be about teams imo.
* Hemp_Boy/rnz0 - He was quite solid when paired with thatguyyoulove against me and trouser.  If I remember right, I've played a bit with him in the past as well.  I'm trying to think of why I have reservations about popping him up to tier 1.  But nothings coming to mind.  hmmm... he easily fits on tier 2 atm, anyway.  Hope to play with or against him some more.
* IamKira - I know enough to realize he's a decent player, but haven't played with in a LONG time. replay?
* Janook (I am shameless) - you are shameless   We should play some either together or against.  I know you are quite talented at the game and easily fit in tier 2.  any other replays?
* magnus333 - I've seen mag's play quite well with 2 dgs at this point (reg + occ).  I'd welcome him as a teammate, but I haven't seen enough that I'd call him tier 1.  Easily a good player, imo.
* morpheas768 (erebus) - I haven't played enough with morph to say tier 1.  I've played some with and against.  Solid player.
* NinkiCZ (rook + everybody) - i think there was a replay here
* Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast) - i actually had him up in my tier 1 list for a little while today - but then I got to thinking about.  Its not that he's a bad player in any way, shape or form.  He's a reasonable candidate for tier 1 imo, but he does or has consistently in the past dropped from games just before the citadel dropped, which puts him in the category of a stats exploiter.  As a result, no tier 1.  Could be he doesn't do this anymore though. 
* pacov (beast + reg) -  I appreciate the nomination.  I'll be staying off tier 1 for now anyway. 
* Sakke - see erksa comments

Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir. There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

Mac is tier 2 imo, but getting better and better all the time.  I haven't played enough with Mith to say that much at this point. 

I´m ashamed by the "good" players of this community and will see that a new game will be found with a kinder community. Sorry, but all are just watching stats. It´s frustrating!

Not everyone really cares about stats.  A big reason for this thread is that stats aren't all that telling regarding a person's skill.  But if it does come down to a pug game, if someone doesn't know you to be good or bad, stats are a good place to look. 

Btw, Trouserssnake's rook wasnt that good, but then again maybe it's not his fault, Levi is not a rook friendly map.

Trouser's actually generally very solid with rook.  But as he was laning with Katana's oak and from a previous game I gathered he wouldn't have shield at an early level, I pressured trouser over and over with reckless abandon which scored me more kills than deaths.

 

on Jan 20, 2010

Mac is tier 2 imo, but getting better and better all the time. I haven't played enough with Mith to say that much at this point.

Mith is at least as good as me, probably better though. 

But as he was laning with Katana's oak

Which if its based on Omicron's  (like mine is) then you only get 1 point until lvl 8 (as pacov knows )

on Jan 20, 2010

Okay, some changes:

I haven't seen Sakke and Erska in a while, that's true, so I guess no Tier 1 for them.

Cowbutt, I also haven't seen you in a while.  I know you're good and it wouldn't take much improvement for me to say you're Tier1, so if you've improved, then Tier 1 it is.

Archon, I only saw 2 games of you.  You're solid but have such a terrible attitude that I would never want to point to you and say "that's one of our best."  Hence why I say stay away from tier 1.  Maybe you were just in a bad mood?

Now that I think about it, I have the same reservation about Morpheas.  Morph is really good but has a crummy attitude. Hm.

Pacov: I find it hard to believe Obscenitor is a stats exploiter.  Maybe just a series of unfortunate coincidences?

on Jan 20, 2010

iamKira has either had just a REALLY bad last few games that I've played with him or just majorly underestimates the people he plays against, I don't feel threatened by him at all.

Obs does the XP trick all the time :-/

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Which if its based on Omicron's  (like mine is) then you only get 1 point until lvl 8 (as pacov knows )"

You really aren't into the whole "team" thing are you? >>

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