First off I'm not convinced it's even a working cheat. My understanding of the claim is that a game from which you disconnect causes no exp loss, or is there supposedly some other trick? Second I'm not trying to rank up and nor have I been for a while, certainly not since before this thread was started, and third my game hangs indefinitely at times when the citadel animation is supposed to play, to the extent that I sometimes have to crash my client to end it.

I'm not at all surprised that no one can prove the cheat works in spite of how incredibly easy it would be to test. Just play only one game for a whole day and disconnect from that one. If you don't lose exp then it probably works. If you really had a lot of time to kill you could look through my game history and see that there is no day on which I ever conducted that experiement myself, I genuinely don't know if the exploit works, and as I said before I'm skeptical it does.

If this were a trial and these people were the prosecutors I think they'd be hard pressed to convict me when they failed to provide a motive or evidence of the offense.

But seriously, I don't care if people think I cheat or cheated. It's just their way of rationalizing how shitty players who play well are, just like they convince themselves that premades are bad players in spite of the fact that they refuse to face them. There's no underlying logic there, and to be quite frank I won the only two tournaments this game is going to have, there's really nothing to prove and nothing else to win. We won our mice and two hundred dollars.

Basically the whole cheating thing is a silly little rumor that Kalel inexplicably started in spite of us having played together quite a bit. I upset him somehow and he started a chain of events that led us to here: the two of us wasting time trying to be reasonable about an unreasonable event related to a game whose community is doing its best to shoot itself in the foot on a daily basis.

If people cared so much about a possible exploit that affects your experience why didn't they just crown the top 10 or 20 players to begin with and then focus on figuring whose ranking is legit? Seriously, who both cares so much about that element that they strike anyone who might have manipulated it it from the list of good players and simultaneously derides its value as a ranking tool?

I agree with everything you said Obscenitor.

I made mulitple test regarding the supposed experience exploit.  These tests were in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3.  In every instance, I quit before the citadel on my team was destroyed.  In some instances, just before the citadel went down, in others a few minutes before the was destroyed.  In every test, I had 0 favor in the recorded stats.  In every test, my experience dropped.  In short, there does not appear to be any sort of working exploit associated with experience.  So, regardless of why Obscenitor often chose in the past to leave games just as the citadel was going down, etc, it was not triggering any sort of exploit or granting him an unfair advantage in the ladder.  He should not be listed in any way among players who cheat. 

My apologies for indicating otherwise at any point as I was clearly in the wrong. 

That's nice and mature of you to admit.

Janook really should be on the Tier 1 list.

Just giving my 2 cents

put me in third tier please!

Thanks Pacov for adding him in

OK - just to take a moment to discuss a little of the criticism brought up by obsc regarding this silly list of mine. 

I still personally feel that the list is a shoutout to the players whose skill levels are top tier and is continuing to shape into what I want it to be.  I don't feel that it is a critique of player's values outside of blatant cheating and that being limited to desync exploits and host disconnects, a group Obscenitor does not fall into.  I do maintain, though, that even if the absolute best dg player on earth crawled out of the woodwork, but would cheat if he expected to lose - well, I wouldn't place much value on that player.  So, that's one place where I would personally skew this list and will continue to do so.  

Additionally, one of the underlying goals of this little list is, outside of the overt ranking concept, to get more of our small community playing together.  To that effect, its been a reasonable success.  And because more people are playing together that normally would not, there is an increase is challenging games, people are somehow discovering that the almighty premade is not necessarily almighty, and we've even got 2 silly clans going on a public vent server.

Honestly, I was hoping this would just be a list of people who you can count on not to ruin a game for you. The tier thing bugs me quite a bit.

But that's just me.

I agree with Teseer, get it out.

hehe... even the title of the thread alone implies ranking...

Understood. The original title was 'Who are the best Demigod players?' or something along those lines. When the list got rather big, thats when I had the hope I mentioned.

righto!

given the back to back reports and my experience with him, when i joined the game to see if he will disc if he looses... and he did right after saying he is rming, i vote py4eek to avoid list.  he is almost as obvious as alienwarrior

Righto? I'm confused. lol