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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

Comments (Page 57)
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on Feb 20, 2010

GM-Orcun
I would like to vote for renzo,morpheas,iamkira and abbugeredhedgie to be put into Tier 1. I think they are all very skilled and experienced players.

3rd.

Add in Mithrandar

on Feb 21, 2010

The other are certainly up for discussion.

hehe... the words 2nd and 3rd are not equal to a discussion. 

on Feb 22, 2010

I nominate _illuminati_. He's easily Tier 2, if not tier 1.

on Feb 22, 2010

Epiphenomenon
I nominate _illuminati_. He's easily Tier 2, if not tier 1.

definetly tier 2

on Feb 22, 2010

GM-Orcun
I would like to vote for renzo,morpheas,iamkira and abbugeredhedgie to be put into Tier 1. I think they are all very skilled and experienced players.

Meanwhile i played a game with rembo666 and kalelmix(not kalelsmx) just now, and we got a "invalid game" at the end. Both morpheas and i recalled this happening before with them. Not exactly sure, but i am most probably guessing they use the exploit so just beware of that.

Happened to me as well.  If i recall correctly it happened once when playing against him *they were losing* and once playing with him *we were losing*.  I don't think his primary language is english though.

kallemix is the way he spells it FYI.

but then again if i posted about every game that got desynced then that would be a long list, 'eh orcun?

j

on Feb 23, 2010

Added _illuminati_ to tier 2. 

Re: the 2nd's and 3rd's... tier 1 is harder to get into unless I'm on exactly the same page as you and agree they are tier 1 players BASED ON THE DEFINITION I PROVIDED FOR TIER 1.

That said - I'm about done with this list.  It sparked some interest and a common ground for alot of us old players and got many of us playing together.  Mission accomplished there.

on Feb 24, 2010

Added _illuminati_ to tier 2. 

Re: the 2nd's and 3rd's... tier 1 is harder to get into unless I'm on exactly the same page as you and agree they are tier 1 players BASED ON THE DEFINITION I PROVIDED FOR TIER 1.

That said - I'm about done with this list.  It sparked some interest and a common ground for alot of us old players and got many of us playing together.  Mission accomplished there.

psh, typical. puts himself into tier 1 then gets bored of it 2 days later.

Obviously your real reason was just to tell the community how awesome you were by initially being humble about it and then doing a double fake-out crossover once you felt you were sufficiently modest. D:

on Feb 24, 2010

Added _illuminati_ to tier 2. 

Re: the 2nd's and 3rd's... tier 1 is harder to get into unless I'm on exactly the same page as you and agree they are tier 1 players BASED ON THE DEFINITION I PROVIDED FOR TIER 1.

That said - I'm about done with this list.  It sparked some interest and a common ground for alot of us old players and got many of us playing together.  Mission accomplished there.

Hey i have been nominated for tier 2 meany

on Feb 24, 2010


I would like to vote for renzo,morpheas,iamkira and abbugeredhedgie to be put into Tier 1. I think they are all very skilled and experienced players.
I haven't seen kira in awhile.  Any solid replays?  The other are certainly up for discussion.

 

I of course also think the GM guys should be in tier 1 but I'll let other people discuss that because I'm biased.

As for iamkira, he is very good with beast, but a lot of people are.  Also is pretty good with pure fire tb but I don't think that's the most effective way of using tb.  So I don't agree with tier 1 due to his limited character selection.

I do agree with abuggered for tier 1 though.  He's always been a game changer with sedna and is a very good oak.  Based on his understanding of the game I'm sure he would do well with any of the other characters.  Thundercles has mentioned before that he only plays well because abuggered tells him exactly where to be in vent, so that says a lot.

on Feb 24, 2010

^Then maybe we should change GM to Tier 1. I just don't think the tag will look very nice.

I also think the list should to be cut down by deleting players that don't play anymore.

PS. Happy Birthday.

on Feb 24, 2010

Put me in tier list 2 and i'm happy.

on Feb 24, 2010

psh, typical. puts himself into tier 1 then gets bored of it 2 days later.

Obviously your real reason was just to tell the community how awesome you were by initially being humble about it and then doing a double fake-out crossover once you felt you were sufficiently modest. D:

I do agree with abuggered for tier 1 though. He's always been a game changer with sedna and is a very good oak. Based on his understanding of the game I'm sure he would do well with any of the other characters.

Hmm... good with 2 characters and you assume he'd do well with any other character... heh.  That's right there in my definition for tier 1... if you assume they are good with any character, they are in.     That said, I certainly don't deny that Hedgie is a great player.  And to go a step further, the definition for tier 1 is:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

Hedgie does shine as an individual, not with a wide variety of characters (but the wording does say GENERALLY), but he doesn't depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  He can play exceptionally in teams of all sizes.  He' doesn't cheat or desync games.  He makes games better if he's on your team or against you and he's an active player.  I agree.  Hedgie goes to tier 1.  Adding now.

Hey i have been nominated for tier 2 meany

Synn - as mean as it sounds, I haven't been in any game with you where you struck me as tier 2. The next time we play together, I'll pay close attention and watch the replay.  I'll gladly recant that statement if I'm in the wrong.

I of course also think the GM guys should be in tier 1 but I'll let other people discuss that because I'm biased.

No, I don't think all of GM should be tier 1.  You put a bunch of decent folks on a team and perhaps a superstar or 2 and everyone thinks they are the best.  The best are the folks that shine in a game.  They tend to stand out, imo.  In forming team super premade, who really stands out?  And as you indicate that you think all are tier 1 in GM, apparently no one stands out... and part of the tier 1 definition is "players shine as individuals" and "do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well."  I'm assuming what I'm really saying here might be confused, so I'll make another effort to clarify if needed.  Suffice to say, if GM is full of tier 1's, then surely they will shine outside of GM where they don't have the benefit of team super premade.  

on Feb 24, 2010

@Pacov 

All in good fun with the GM Tier 1 thing -

Let's look at the member list:

Janook
Renz0kuken
NinkiCZ
McShane87
Hemp_Boy
Orcun
ProneG
Mithrandar
Morpheas768

Take out the people who are already tier 1 and you get:

Renz0kuken
Hemp_Boy
ProneG
Mithrandar
Morpheas768

I've PUG'd with all of these guys at one time or another and they are in the top 5-10% players.  I think they should be Tier 1, (with maybe a discussion about ProneG because I've only ever seen him play Erb and per your Tier criteria you have to excel at multiple DGs)

But if I'm understanding your argument you are saying these guys don't make Tier 1 because

1.  They play as a 'super-premade' with and against each other

2.  It's hard to stand out when everyone playing is extremely high-level

3.  You need to stand out to be Tier 1

Did I get that right? 

@ point 1, saying I understood it correctly - it's difficult for me to believe that these guys have issues playing without their teams.  I've seen them rock PUG games from both sides but aside from the gestalt you lack with a given player (I don't coordinate well with Cowbuttzex or Morpheas on my team, for example and I have no idea why) once you hit a certain level of play in this game you will carry that across teams.

@ point 2 and 3

So in a 3v3 Orcun/Mith/Janook vs Mcshane/Ninki/Renzokuken you are going to be looking at close-to-flawless play on all sides, but because no one player gets the majority of kills or damage, etc. none of them make T1?

Like I said, all in fun and with the understanding that no one really cares, just chewing the fat here

 

 

on Feb 24, 2010

Are GM-Janook and Janook different people, or is he so awesome that he's in both tier 1 and tier 2?

on Feb 24, 2010

Like I said, all in fun and with the understanding that no one really cares, just chewing the fat here

Fair enough. 

So in a 3v3 Orcun/Mith/Janook vs Mcshane/Ninki/Renzokuken you are going to be looking at close-to-flawless play on all sides,

See... right there is what I don't buy at all.  Close to flawless = near perfect = not what I've seen in these guys. Perhaps you played with them on perfect day and I missed it.  Or perhaps any of the replays that have been posted have shown someone with close-to-flawless play and I missed that as well.  I've seen solid play out of them in past, to be sure, but I don't have such a high opinion of them or anyone else (including myself) to consider someone's play to be close to flawless.  Perhaps all you are saying is that no one makes any stupid mistakes and equating that with "close to flawless."  Anyway, perhaps I'm just mincing terms here, so I'll move on.

re: point 2/3 - consider that in the matchup you mentioned Orcun/Mith/Janook vs Mcshane/Ninki/Renzokuken, who do you think will stand out?  Part of the tier 1 defintion (as written by me, of course):  "players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well."  In that scenario, it surely is difficult to stand out if you consider the teams so evenly matched.  Anyway, I know... there are a lot of ways to look at that... more from me in a bit...

 

 

 

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