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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on Feb 24, 2010

 so long, I've gotten used to what each player is not so good with and stuff so I take that as an advatange. Gameplay wise, I'm not even good. I don't even hotkey to tp, I use my good old mouse to click and click away... to which magnus was appaled at. 

Demigod is so relaxing compared to hardcore strategy games. Your APM can be like 30 and you're totally fine. You don't even need to use keyboard shortcuts.

on Feb 24, 2010

Ok then - best of three challenge issued.  Kalel/trouser/pacov vs magnus/morph/mith.  If we win, Ninki can eat:

Mmmmm I try to be modest when it comes to these things but I doubt you'd win majority of the time against them.

if wrong I can eat:

If you let me choose a 3 man team out of those folks and I made my own 3 man team using non GM members, I'm reasonably confident my team would win the majority of the time.

We can table this specific discussion until after we get those games in. 

Anyone else have info about fil26?  Anything in particular stand out or he just strike you as a solid player?

on Feb 24, 2010

Your APM can be like 30 and you're totally fine. You don't even need to use keyboard shortcuts.

don't tell hedgie that.

 

on Feb 25, 2010

oh christ, the last time I played with mith he died 6 times as oak... ;(

on Feb 25, 2010


Your APM can be like 30 and you're totally fine. You don't even need to use keyboard shortcuts.
don't tell hedgie that.

 

Where is hedgie, I'll tell him.

on Feb 25, 2010

GM-McShane87


 
Close to flawless sounds about right.  These games would be at least an hour long with whichever sides unclean beast plays better eventually deciding it.  We still haven't got a 3 vs 3 of some combination of those guys vs you kalel, and trouser yet pacov.  Orcun, Renzo, and I got one in against kalel, trouser, and jongalt the other day but they only wanted to do random, and then when we tried to join again a second time they just closed it off and remade.  I think they need you to lead them into battle.

 

Look at you kissing Pacov's ass lol.

And hey now McShane, it was still a good game even though kalel and trouser got QoT and Reg as their random picks.  I have no idea why those two wanted to go random.

Personally i really enjoy playing against you guys, the games are a lot more interesting.  I think the reason the lobby got shut down is because i had to go to bed or tend to one of my kids or something.

FYI McShane Milkshakes are now being served at Mcdonald's.

j

on Feb 25, 2010

gm-magnus333
oh christ, the last time I played with mith he died 6 times as oak... ;(

That's because you don't save him. Mith needs protection!

on Feb 25, 2010

best of three challenge issued. Kalel/trouser/pacov vs magnus/morph/mith.

Replays when you got 'em!

 

 

 

on Feb 25, 2010

Don't forget to add in Renz somewhere.

Hmm... I'll discuss this issue with them. It's true that those 4 don't play together as often but that really shouldn't matter.

It's also my mission to meet this Obiwhan character. Apparently we're meant to be?

on Feb 25, 2010

jongalt26

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 860

 
Close to flawless sounds about right.  These games would be at least an hour long with whichever sides unclean beast plays better eventually deciding it.  We still haven't got a 3 vs 3 of some combination of those guys vs you kalel, and trouser yet pacov.  Orcun, Renzo, and I got one in against kalel, trouser, and jongalt the other day but they only wanted to do random, and then when we tried to join again a second time they just closed it off and remade.  I think they need you to lead them into battle.
 

Look at you kissing Pacov's ass lol.

And hey now McShane, it was still a good game even though kalel and trouser got QoT and Reg as their random picks.  I have no idea why those two wanted to go random.

Personally i really enjoy playing against you guys, the games are a lot more interesting.  I think the reason the lobby got shut down is because i had to go to bed or tend to one of my kids or something.

FYI McShane Milkshakes are now being served at Mcdonald's.

j

 

The game got closed off because kalel and trouser weren't interested in a 3rd consecutive loss as mithrandar and I had also just beat them before you showed up.  You guys started a new game immediately after closing the lobby, and I don't blame them, it's been made clear that Pacov is the 3rd guy for 3 vs 3 clan games.  I was just pointing out that they seem to be avoiding us without him there. 

Also about the milkshakes, umm sweet, I'll be there in a bit?  Is that an advertisement, do you guys have a special on or something? I don't get the reference.

on Feb 25, 2010

Ok then - best of three challenge issued.  Kalel/trouser/pacov vs magnus/morph/mith.

Sounds good, then if they win 2 out of 3 they're in tier 1?  Or whose butts do they have to kick?  We need some sort of measuring stick.  Do they also need victories over a team of the already anointed tier 1 GM members?

on Feb 25, 2010

The game got closed off because kalel and trouser weren't interested in a 3rd consecutive loss as mithrandar and I had also just beat them before you showed up.

SNAP!

it's been made clear that Pacov is the 3rd guy for 3 vs 3 clan games.

You can look at it that way if that helps.  I think its reasonably fair to say that our 2 little clans have somewhat different ideologies.  I do enjoy the competitive games when possible, though.  I also enjoy completely uneven matches, not in my favor, using characters other than oak/erb/ub even if it means my team might be at a disadvantage... and playing favor mod games... and random games... and blahblah.  If all you want are competitive games, though, you are certainly barking up the wrong tree with at least me.  We'll certainly get many more competitive games in the future.  And if you like, games of a more relaxed nature as well. 

Sounds good, then if they win 2 out of 3 they're in tier 1? Or whose butts do they have to kick? We need some sort of measuring stick. Do they also need victories over a team of the already anointed tier 1 GM members?

Well... here's the thing.  If GM is saying that all of GM belongs in tier 1, it doesn't have that much credibility, at least in my eyes.  It doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong at all, but it comes across to me the same way as it might to you if I promoted everyone in clan pacov to tier 1: eg it comes off really biased.  It goes a long way with me if people, not in GM (again, simply because they are recommending their teammates) that are tier 1 or that I consider really excellent to recommend a player for tier 1.  And, at least as far as tier 1's go, I don't think anyone outside of GM is nominating these guys. 

So, beating my team down in the best of 3 at least tells me that these guys are clearly better than I'm giving them credit for.  And provide a recent replay as well showing their team tactics.  And again, I don't think any of these guys are slouches by any stretch, but I personally don't believe them to be tier 1 at this point.  Could very well be I am out of touch, but again, I'm only calling things as I see them based on REPLAYS posted and games I've had with these guys.  Does beating my team get them into tier 1 directly?  Nope.  Does it make me reevaluate people that I already consider close to tier 1?  Yes.  

on Feb 25, 2010

Don't get me wrong here, other than morpheas who's our most competitive player.  The rest of us are more then happy to play random games and mix up teams or whatever you like.  I don't think we all have the favormod thing that you guys enjoy playing but I just got it and I'm sure the others could be talked into trying it.  A truly competitive clan vs clan game is nice but it doesn't always have to be like that.  In the case of kalel and trouser the other day they had a game titled be good and a team already formed both times, I'm sure they were talking to eachother on vent but they didn't say anything to us in the lobby, so we just joined and tried to be good like the title asked for.  Two of them switched to random in the second game so we just followed along and did too.  If any of the 5 of jongalt, trouser, kalel, hedgie, and you are together we're going to assume you want to play together in a serious game unless you say otherwise, so just let us know what you guys like to do.  Temporarily join our channel to say what's happening if typing is too much of a bother now.  Renzo/hemp-boy and I are the only ones who don't have mics.

on Feb 25, 2010


 And, at least as far as tier 1's go, I don't think anyone outside of GM is nominating these guys. 

Check a couple pages back, ke5trel agreed to the nomination, just didn't discuss like you wanted.  No one's also argued against it which you see more then people agreeing.

on Feb 25, 2010

Well... here's the thing.  If GM is saying that all of GM belongs in tier 1, it doesn't have that much credibility, at least in my eyes.

This.

GM is all about pre from what i saw. I was about to have game with them, for balance i wanted one GM on our side. They leaved.

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