Good catch.  removed from tier 2.  I'm all for removing inactives if we are keeping this going.  If you see someone in the list that hasn't played in > 30 days, let me know and I'll remove.

Lol whoa easy on me Pacov.  I was leaving room for the discussion that you were so eager to have previously.  Based on the demigod list on his profile he is also a high percentage winner with unclean beast and torchbearer.  The thing is I've never had the pleasure of playing with him while he uses any other character besides Sedna and Oak, but there is evidence that he does; unlike with iamkira who only has one or two games with four other characters.  I assumed some of the clan pacov guys he plays more frequently with might say something about his abilities with other characters after I left the door open for it, hence creating discussion and making everyone happy, not sarcastic and sassy.

Honestly, I should be in tier0.  Out of the 20 people who still play this game I am definitely one of the top 20.

I'm suprizingly sassy today, so my apologies for that.  I'm not really trying to be rude here and your bringing up hedgie yet again did get him in the proper tier as far as I'm concerned, so kudos. 

Let's try a different angle, though.  What's so great about the people in GM that aren't in tier 1?

Close to flawless sounds about right.  These games would be at least an hour long with whichever sides unclean beast plays better eventually deciding it.  We still haven't got a 3 vs 3 of some combination of those guys vs you kalel, and trouser yet pacov.  Orcun, Renzo, and I got one in against kalel, trouser, and jongalt the other day but they only wanted to do random, and then when we tried to join again a second time they just closed it off and remade.  I think they need you to lead them into battle.

The best way to answer this would be to play a team, of any  3 of Mith, Renzo, magnus, morpheas.  But what do you want to see from them is another question?  We only let people into GM who we felt were on par with the original members.

I'm not sure what that would show.  If you let me choose a 3 man team out of those folks and I made my own 3 man team using non GM members, I'm reasonably confident my team would win the majority of the time.  Of course, that's just talk and we should put that to the test, but that wouldn't really disqualify them in any way from tier 1... you don't have to kick my butt to get into tier 1...

Fil26 should be in these tiers some place. He took advantage of some poor play by me recently and beat the hell out of me. I have only played him that one time recently though. Anyone else have insight?

I think what my clanmates want to say is that pretty much everyone in GM have about the same skill level of course we all have our bad days

I don't have a dog in this race, just talking it through.

I've never played a serious game with or against you, Pacov, and I'm looking at 4-8 games played per week at best throughout my time with Demigod, so I might just have a lower standard of near-flawless play ^^

As it is, I'm going to paraphrase myself from a much earlier comment in this thread:

"consistently brilliant team players who punish all opponent mistakes and have impeccable builds* and strategic objectives. (*Builds includes skill allocation, cit upgrades, equipment, and item choices.)"

Most of these guys seem to fit that standard, but again, I'm not too invested here.  I was more trying to get a handle on how you define the "stand-out Tier 1 player" in a game of players who are all at comparable high levels of play.  If at that level the determining factor is who has a slightly better UB then should we take everyone off Tier 1 who doesn't play UB?

Incidentally Kira tends to focus on one DG for long periods of time until he owns it.  He played Reg for a year or so before switching to UB.  Regardless of Kira's play, does that type of approach get less credit because it's deep rather than broad?

Oh and finally I vouch Fil26 and Axon for Tier 2

IMO random games are the best judge of skill, barring some incredibly OP set up, which sadly, happens frequently.

methinks I'm going to have to work on my internet tone today... not attempting to be accusatory or offensive.  But, for the sake of clarity with you, Ke5, I understand that you aren't taking shots at anyone here, etc.

I can certainly appreciate how you flesh this out here a bit more.  I tend to agree.  A tier 1 player should have this. 

Well, it certainly does get more challenging to determine tier 1 talent in high level games.  Especially in the circumstances that you've crafted in which all of the players are relatively even.  Its simply my thought that all players are not relatively even.  Some are more aggressive than others, so are better at specific characters than others, some have better map awareness, some are setting traps, some are coordinating players by setting up distractions while another teammate gets a key flag or portal, etc.  Anyway, its a number of factors... for me to personally identify someone I'd consider tier 1, I'd generally need to play with them and against them, etc.

Mmmmm I try to be modest when it comes to these things but I doubt you'd win majority of the time against them. Those 4 are tough to beat. I've played with these GM members for so long, I've gotten used to what each player is not so good with and stuff so I take that as an advatange. Gameplay wise, I'm not even good. I don't even hotkey to tp, I use my good old mouse to click and click away... to which magnus was appaled at. 

I also actually disagree with Shane. The clan's intention was never to recruit the best players. I just wanted to recruit players that we often play together with from pretty much day 1. I've met a few fresh faces along the way who have been extremely nice that I could not help but give them an offer to join the family.

PS. magnus is not part of this family until that tag is properly changed. Yes you heard me magnus. I'm not going easy on you anymore for all these days of hatred you've expressed towards me. 

 caps are for noobs