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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 

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on May 07, 2010

Dude...I almost numbchucked you...

on May 07, 2010

I'm for sure not a tactician, lol

on May 07, 2010

Cind3rs - you certainly are entitled to your opinion.  The tier list, at its core, is an attempt to classify the skill level of the folks in our community.  I wouldn't really consider the classifications in the list as more than that - and your feedback is welcomed.  I don't think this list accurately reflects everyone in our little dg community or even the skill level of all individuals already classified into tiers (hence the desire to revamp the list).  

Suffice to say - the list itself is a complete nerd endeavor.  Its just a list, built by community feedback, to rank who we believe are the best players out there.  As I don't play much/at all with you (in recent memory anyway), I haven't personally ranked you on this list.  Generally, people play a game with folks, they provide feedback in this thread, and they get ranked based on additional feedback. 

Anyway, if the list is generally accurate, then a team with 2 tier 1s and a tier 2 vs 3 tier 2s should win in most circumstances (say they play the best out of 5, team 1 would win 3 games (but might lose 1)). 

Anyway - this brings up another thought about reclassifying the list - unranked players.  I'm sure cind3rs is no slouch at the game.  The way the tier list is right now, pretty much indicates that because he isn't listed, he must be tier 3 or a new player. 

The original intent of the tier 3 category was based on this thought - there are some bad players out there.  I don't want to list them by name as its quite insulting.  But, because tier 3 is so broad because of how i worded it, it does mean that if you aren't listed in one of the tiers, you fit here... and that's not what i really meant for tier 3.  So, perhaps I change the wording on the lowest tier to reflect that and then maybe add an unranked category that we can dump players into that we come across.

 

on May 07, 2010

Cind3rs
I hate stuff like this.

You have the truly skilled and tactical players.  Those can push a lane with Reg alone. The TB that UB has to run from every time.  Etc.

Then you have the players that won't touch a game unless it's in their favor, their teammates are on vent, and/or they use a DG and build that will cover up the small mistakes that separate them from top category....

But I'm in a minority of gamers.  If you just play damn good and for fun, I think you're cool and "tier 1".  If you play games like it's your f*cking job, you're a loser.  Try yelling at your mom for meatloaf or something.

^What he said.

+1 karma

on May 07, 2010

Cind3rs
I hate stuff like this.

You have the truly skilled and tactical players.  Those can push a lane with Reg alone. The TB that UB has to run from every time.  Etc.

Then you have the players that won't touch a game unless it's in their favor, their teammates are on vent, and/or they use a DG and build that will cover up the small mistakes that separate them from top category.

 

I've played with/against Jona and found him quite good, but not in some haloed tier.

I've also played with/against some of the "tier 1" players, and would say the exact same. 

 

But I'm in a minority of gamers.  If you just play damn good and for fun, I think you're cool and "tier 1".  If you play games like it's your f*cking job, you're a loser.  Try yelling at your mom for meatloaf or something.

 

The way I see this list.


Tier 1: Never plays without vent or a similar tier 1 teammate

yet I see as a requirement: "do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well."

 

Interesting. Commence drama.

on May 07, 2010

Tier 1: Never plays without vent or a similar tier 1 teammate

I don't think what you are describing is accurate.  Certainly quite a few of the folks on this list play together - our community is what, 75-175 people max?  That doesn't mean that they refuse to play without their buds. Perhaps I'm different in how I handle things, but while I very much enjoy playing in games with the folks on lagwars, I find I enjoy just hopping into pugs.  Anyway, bringing specific criticism towards individual players would be the way to go if you think anyone in the list is useless without vent/only playing with their buds, etc. 

Another thought - I don't quite see why a few of you folks that simply play this game "for fun" ...

If you just play damn good and for fun, I think you're cool and "tier 1". If you play games like it's your f*cking job, you're a loser. Try yelling at your mom for meatloaf or something.

...would really care if there is a list where players rate other players.  I assume this would have little impact on you and your fun having ways...

Anyway, there's no intention of looking down on folks, at least for my part, so I do apologize if you feel that this is coming off this way.  You are welcome to participate, of course, but this list does create specific definitions for the tiers.  Cinder's definition is simply quite generic - "tier 1 = play damn good and for fun.  Not like its your job."  What does play damn good mean and how does one play like its your job? 

on May 07, 2010

Most of the tier 1 players play primarily in house games.  When we pick up random people to join us and fill slots, we usually balance out the teams.  Does that mean we occasionally don't feel like catering to a bunch of 500 game 50-60% ppl when we only have 3 of us and can't evenly distribute anyway?  Yes.  

 

What always makes me laugh though is when a random joins and says "oh the other team is a premade, no thanks" when we've split our ranks in half.

I've also seen you join multiple times and leave prior to balancing Karebears.  The reason you don't see it is because you choose not to.

Also, 5 people currently on the tier 1 list either don't have a microphone or just don't normally get on ventrilo.  Many games we all play in the same channel (both teams) and chat about whatever, or else we simply don't talk much at all.  So no, vent is not required.  For the most part it serves as a better form of the in-game chat system with the private messages to see who's on, and a list of people in rooms to see who's playing.  

on May 07, 2010

 

Karebears

Quoting Cind3rs, reply 1245I hate stuff like this.

You have the truly skilled and tactical players.  Those can push a lane with Reg alone. The TB that UB has to run from every time.  Etc.

Then you have the players that won't touch a game unless it's in their favor, their teammates are on vent, and/or they use a DG and build that will cover up the small mistakes that separate them from top category.

 

I've played with/against Jona and found him quite good, but not in some haloed tier.

I've also played with/against some of the "tier 1" players, and would say the exact same. 

 

But I'm in a minority of gamers.  If you just play damn good and for fun, I think you're cool and "tier 1".  If you play games like it's your f*cking job, you're a loser.  Try yelling at your mom for meatloaf or something.

 

The way I see this list.


Tier 1: Never plays without vent or a similar tier 1 teammate

yet I see as a requirement: "do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well."


 

Interesting. Commence drama.

ZOMG!!!  DRAMMAS!!!     Well it does go without saying that I've beaten tier 1s when they've been caught pugging without their teammates.  They know who they are  But, whatever...

But seriously though, some of the guys in tier 1 I really do believe should be up there; they do simply stand out from other players imho.  If you've played against them, you'll know what I mean.

E.g. maybe a bad example, but I played a game against lord orion (unranked), teseer (tier 2), kitty (tier 2) and captain taco (unranked), and I had ABorn (tier 2 for all intents and purposes), Brandon_Varn (unranked), myself and some random noob with 30 games and a 50% win.  

On paper it looks pretty balanced.  No offense to the players of course, but was an absolute stomp and I was accused of stacking my team (yes...with a noob on my team ). 

Then a couple of days later I have Brandon_Varn and ABornExile again on my team, and I play against Mcshane, RAWRRR and Mithrander.  We are completely stomped.  

I felt I put up a bit of resistance in the beginning and I get pretty much the only kill my team gets.  But yeah, we are completely outplayed.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say in as non arrogant a way as possible, is in general most tier 2 players (except a few really) don't give me crazy amount of difficulty in balanced games, but I feel a lot of the tier 1s I can definitely say are better than me right now.  

 

on May 07, 2010

Do i give you crazy amout of difficulty? jk

on May 07, 2010

Anyway, if the list is generally accurate, then a team with 2 tier 1s and a tier 2 vs 3 tier 2s should win in most circumstances (say they play the best out of 5, team 1 would win 3 games (but might lose 1)).

If you let me pick all six players by team then I can  pretty much guarantee a win against the Tier 1 players 9 times out of 10, based on the current list.

That has less to do with the level of Tier 1 and more to do with the hazy line between top Tier 2 and Tier 1, and the large element of Tier 2 who might be individually strong but aren't confident in close teams. 

Forum issues, let's see if this posts three times :/

 

 

on May 07, 2010

I agree with Stanlord being a tier 2. I think he is one of the best puggers out there atm I always ask him to join vent and he responds with "I will never convert to the dark side!"

on May 07, 2010

ok - stanlord to tier 2. 

Addding GM-Mithrander to tier 1 per previous discussion.

If you let me pick all six players by team then I can pretty much guarantee a win against the Tier 1 players 9 times out of 10, based on the current list.

That has less to do with the level of Tier 1 and more to do with the hazy line between top Tier 2 and Tier 1, and the large element of Tier 2 who might be individually strong but aren't confident in close teams.

I think when we revamp the list, the tier 1 list will be really thinned out so that tier 1 is really the absolute best.  Should be some exciting debate

I'm planning on watching aBornExile's replay in the next match re: tier 2 status. 

on May 07, 2010

YES, I'M SO HAPPY PACOV!

You have made my day.

Now I can go celebrate tonight. If I sound funny on vent, it's because I was celebrating.

on May 07, 2010

Removed due to inactivity > 30 days:

  • gL-Idealopamp
  • Auroson1c
  • DG-Thundershock
  • nzac
  • Ragarth
  • shade
  • Shinobinomono
  • Mooks67

 

 

on May 07, 2010

^I miss them all so much... Please contact me if any of you are still lurking around

PS - Magnus changed his name to capital GM-MAGNUS333 

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