heh... strange world, eh?  I grabbed the pacov name way back at the start... when I hated lol. 

I'm pretty sure I suck at jungling.  Oh well. 

Ok - so question for you more experienced folks:  who are the best characters?  I've been working a bit on amumu, but zen mentioned that he's a crap character in ranked games.  Is that the case?  I'd prefer to work on characters that are solid in ranked matches as I think I'm going to get competitive in this game.  Thanks!

all dg oldtimers.  masc is rawrr.  Good times!

moved to pc gaming thread - don't really want to detract from dg. 

tier 1 out of my top: brand oreana anivia annie for ap

for tank: singed alistar jarvan chogath

for ad carry: corki ashe caitlyn

Hope not to take this off topic, and I know I'm addressing a post from a while back (but I did read all the posts following), but this is an issue I had too, except I found it interesting that I had the opposite view.

I totally understand your view, that fighting a losing battle is a waste of time and having someone choosing not to surrender when it's an obvious loss can be annoying, I agree.  My gripe though, is when people surrender when there is still a chance - as long as they change their strategy.

I'm not an experienced player at all, and perhaps my views are wrong, but I've had experiences where people quit after losing several team battles and the enemy is way ahead in items/gold and levels.  Woah, you might think, if they're way ahead in items and exp, then quite obviously they have the advantage and our chances of winning are low.  I agree with your judgment, and the surrender happens at this point anyway.

However, after the first or second team battle loss, I find it a fairly poor idea for us to rush their team again, right after an ace.  Yet that keeps happening.  Quite obviously if we lost before when we were closer in levels and power, we might win, but we're just giving them a greater advantage every time we die, and yet we still rush into them.

After several times of running into the anvil, we surrender.  My way of thinking is this: if you're going to surrender, just take another route and rush their nexus/base thing.  Why?  Because if you surrender, it's a loss.  If you take another route and their team steamrolls the towers and then the nexus, then it's a loss.

But if you, by rushing their base, cause one or two to warp back in confusion and defend their base, perhaps we have a chance of destroying half their team while they decide whether to push or fall back.  Even if they push, if we push fast enough, we may even destroy the nexus before they do.  According to their surrender philosophy, it's a loss either way.  Why not try one last push for a slim chance of victory instead of the tried-and-failed method of rushing their fed team?

As I said before, I'm not an experienced player, and have my fair share of losses, and would say that I may have played poorly enough to contribute a lot to the falling of my team.  Since I have not managed to get any team to try this tactic, I'm wondering if the more experienced players could lend a word in letting me know if, in a surrender situation, it's a good idea?

Oh I completely agree here, too.  There are only a few things I find more annoying when the score is like 18 to 17 kills at the 20 minute mark and some shite calls for a surrender.  I'm more talking about the scenario where someone on my team has 10 deaths and 0 kills at the 20 min mark and the score is like 30 to 1 kills... That's the type of scenario where I'd much rather throw in the towel than hope my feeding pal learns to stop dying. 

I'd just personally rather not wait around for and hope for a miracle.  I'd play it, but I'd much rather just get into a new game where things are a bit more reasonable.

I also agree that if you are getting destroyed, perhaps changing tactics, like you suggested is appropriate.  You'd think folks would consider that. 

Thanks for the list of characters, zen.

What websites do you folks use to research strategies, replays?  I've been going to www.mobafire.com.  Their ads are extremely annoying to me though (flash popups at the bottom).  Anyone know how to block that crap in firefox?

I think there is a firefox add on called adblock. I dunno though as I don't use FF. I think Solomid have some guides on their website, but I don't use websites for strategy etc. The closet thing I use are livestreams.

I like Morecowbell.com the most. It is mostly lower elo players though. Solomid and CLGaming are for higher elo players. I don't know their site names though.

Yeah 

Thanks for the tip, shiro.  I checked out solomid. I really like the polish that's gone into the sites I've seen (mouse over items and you can see how much they cost and how to make, etc). 

Fun thing I learned recently (that everyone but me probably knew) - you know how you see the "ingredient items" for whatever main item you want to buy?  Well, let's say you have 4 out of your 5 slots used.  I typically buy the items I need 1 by 1.  Which means that at this point in the game (where I have 4 full slots and only 1 open), you can't build large items (as they appear to require like 3 slots or whatever).  Well, apparently all you have to do is click on the main item and you can buy it directly even if you only have 1 slot and it requires 3 to make.  Perhaps that's completely common sense, but I didn't understand anyway.  Glad I figured out that nonsense now, though, as it pretty much meant my kit would max out MUCH earlier than everyone else's in long games. 

I'm a little better at amumu jungling after some practice, but still rubbish for the most part.  Hit level 20 today and started buying the expensive runes, though.  Pretty sure that will go a LONG way towards me jungling successfully. 

Oh, and I know people bitch about demigod from time to time for this and that, but I literally had to wait 30 minutes to log in tonight.  Annoying shite.  It's not all roses over here. 

http://www.own3d.tv/live#/live/214

http://season-one-championship.na.leagueoflegends.com/

and search on the IEM website for the most recent world tourney. Very good games there!

also there was a recent mlg tourney but i couldn't find any replays.

@ArcElement2002

Have you heard of elo hell? if not i'm happy for you. The main issue is, online you're playing with 4 strangers. Teamplay does not arise until very high rating, which is why a lot of games are decided fast and people want to surrender in lower rating games. Is it worth trying a comeback and playing extra 30minutes, which you will probably lose anyways than use those 30 minutes to win the next game?

Don't give me wrong I don't surrender easily, but once a battle is lost and you have poor coordination with your teammates it's healthier to surrender for your psyche and time.

My solution only play with friends.

well, yes - but I know people are working to fix DG anytime if has an issue (I usually get feedback pretty quick from someone at SD in the past), its just that it's not as high a priority for them to fix things (lol loses HUGE amts of potential revenue if there is an outage - demigod... not so much.  So, if a server blows up for DG, I doubt someone is going to get called into the office to fix that crap over the weekend, etc.  With lol, I can pretty much guarantee they have staff that is ready to resolve things (again, because large amts of money could be lost).  I don't see anything wrong with that, honestly).   They do get fixed, though. 

Thanks for the link, zen.  I'll check some of that out.  I've learned a bit from guides, but mostly replays make me a better player at this point.  Danke!

edit - oh, I played Alistar for my last game of the night.  I've been working on my jungle amumu, but all of the team games I've played tonight had someone else wanting to jungle, so I was stuck with mundo (my default I can play well enough character).  Anyway, from what I've watched, alistar can also jungle like a champ and that really makes his headbutt valuable (eg headbutting an enemy back into our team to kill), but I didn't get to give that a go either.  What I did love, though, was late game being able to spam heals on our team over and over when we were working inhibitors, etc.  That gave us quite a bit more staying power.  Anyway, its a unique role... the tank that can heal the team.  Very interesting.  I'm still crap with him, but I'm starting to see the possibilities.

oh - and I've decided to start dropping my ip into runes, etc, now that I've hit 20.  That will make a pretty big difference I think.  I can't wait for level 30 and starting on ranked games.  It's good it will take me some time to get there so I can learn (+1 lol), but I really want to start to pug at the ranked level and see how things go.  Then, if i actually get good at this game (I'd rank myself a mid at this point - a step up from my previous just below a mid assessment from a week ago), then I'd like to try to form a premade team with DG folks if possible.  How awesome would it be to have a DG team in lol?    And if we became an elite team, that would bring notice to Demigod as well and perhaps result in money being spent on the IP for a sequel.  I might be playing other games, but I still want Demigod perfected!