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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Jan 11, 2013

methinks riot is getting ready for a tuesday patch.  Yet another update to pbe is going live tonight. 

Tried thresh - very fun - lots of potential. 

on Jan 11, 2013

Krazikarl
He tends to fall into the pattern where he can kill somebody, but then immediately gets blown up himself. Its 1 for 1.

well - that's the thing - if he dies, he dies.  Taking out a high value target like the adc should be worth an assassin methinks.

on Jan 11, 2013

about to do a 5v5 in house on stream - teams a little mismatched, but we shall see.

on Jan 11, 2013

Game 1 surprised me - game 2 live in 30 sec - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Jan 12, 2013

Game 3 live in 1-2 min

on Jan 12, 2013

done for the night.  So - summary of the evening.  We completely, utterly, destroyed in game 1.  Like it looked like we were against the amazing scrub team.  Games 2-3 (maybe 4?) were ass whoopins (other team destroyed us).  After game 1 - thunder's team dropped 1 guy and picked up cow.  I don't really think that was the major difference maker, but well - cow shows up and we all die.

Anyway, we have broken the 1 in house game a month cycle.  We hit 3 in house games tonight.  If we are lucky we can do another tonight. 

Side note - thank pacov and thunder if u like the in house games.  We both try to work things out so we have enough to do big team games.  If they happen, its probably because of us.  Also - f u thunder.  I don't like going 15/2/X and then losing 2 games.  Hate u. 

night all!

on Jan 12, 2013

"Also - f u thunder.  I don't like going 15/2/X and then losing 2 games.  Hate u."

Ahhhh... so mean!

Now I'm going to have to post this video I found of you, your wife, and KraziKarl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5mtY-yQBNM

on Jan 12, 2013

Thundercles
Now I'm going to have to post this video I found of you, your wife, and KraziKarl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5mtY-yQBNM[/quote]

 

^

Win. 

on Jan 12, 2013

Nice!

I clipped and uploaded the 3 games to youtube.  Created a playlist.  Give it a look if you are interested.  If you are looking for a specific game, just load the playlist and you can skip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvACjvBGG6o&list=PL1dGpOq1NyJloMINit0WQUHW9x3BbtI-b

 

 

on Jan 12, 2013

I don't want to be a dick, but because you were asking for feedback after your last game, let me say something.

You might want to work on your game state awareness early and mid game.  You almost never press tab (you went something like 20 minutes without pressing it once in game 3), so you don't know builds or CS or scores in other lanes.  You don't even know the summoner spells of people in your own lane (you had to ask your support at like level 6).  Also, you essentially never watch what is happening in other lanes on your screen (for example, when I die early, I always look at other lanes instead of staring at my corpse so I can get a feel for what is happening in the lane).

Yet despite this, you are making essentially all the calls early on.  This is what we argue about all the time when I play jungle - you always demand a relatively high percentage of the pressure from jungle/mid, even though I know you don't know the full game state.  I tend to know the CS scores in each lane, as well as K/D, but you will argue with me non stop if I ever choose to put pressure somewhere else.

We saw this in game 3 as well.  You were constantly bugging Trouser to gank your lane.  He tried to argue that it wasn't a good idea because of warding situation, but you overrode him.  I agree with the other team when they said after the game that a major problem was that you dedicated too many team resources (ganks from jungle and mid) to the bot lane when it didn't make sense and it definitely hurt your other lanes.  I mean, you aren't even pressing tab enough to know how many wards Nunu has or if he bought Sightstone, but you are non stop calling for ganks to bot.

Now, I'm not saying that you have to spend that much effort into knowing the full game state early or that you can't ask for ganks sometimes.  But if you don't know the game state, I don't think that you should be making all the calls for team resources.  And please don't argue with the jungler about where he should be ganking if you dont know the CS and K/D in other lanes, and if you don't even know the ward status on their support.

 

I'm not singling you out or anything, because God knows I could improve on a lot of things, but thats the first thing that I've noticed from watching a few of your streams.

on Jan 12, 2013

Krazikarl
I don't want to be a dick

Krazikarl
without pressing it once in game 3

Not gonna lie to yah - pretty boozed for the last game.  Anyway, reading your feedback now and thx for it.

on Jan 12, 2013

still live with karl/bryff/ et all... 1-2 more games left in meh

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Jan 12, 2013

Video that illustrates karls opinion on split pushing late game (note karl split pushing late game).

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/1832836#

 

on Jan 13, 2013

Yeah, I split push briefly.  But I was back before they got to inhib.

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