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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Feb 08, 2013

Meh, no more HoG means Locket is 2k coin from no  income.

 

It gives you a nice overall effect, but the added delay gaining extra CC isn't worth a maximum 230 extra hitpoints on your carry.  Team fights typically go one way or the other based on the untimely death of a single individual.  Taric already has a severely spread out overall strength, and the spell vamp from WOTA will probably end up surpassing the active for health addition.

on Feb 08, 2013

in 2 and 2 in my promotion matches.  About to play last game.  Duoing with hunny - i have like a 25% win rate in ranked with hunny... http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Feb 09, 2013

quick summary on my exciting ranked woes.  I went like 5/0 and then hit my promotion series.  I ended up going 2/3, so now I have to redo some games etc.  2 of those games I had pals that lost internet connectivity for > 5 minutes a pop.  Was a scream.  Ah well... guess I get to grind some more. 

duoing some ranked w karl now.

on Feb 09, 2013

do your 'other pals' have Wendy's too?

on Feb 10, 2013

Er...  If you win two of your next three, you rank up.  Why would you have to redo some games?

 

on Feb 10, 2013

I ended up going 2/3

that means I won 2 games and lost 3.  Sorry if that wasn't clear.

ok - so fast summary.  Tonight - all games with karl.  I lose initial promo series.  I play a game and then hit a new promo series.  We end up losing.  Only 1 game I can complain about complete dumbassery, so that's an improvement. 

I leveled up again started another promo series. We won 1 game (so my current series has me at 1 game won out of 1 game).  So, I'm 2 games away from hitting silver. HOPEFULLY I can move on up.  The only thing I'm really happy about is that I didn't lose any games because of some dc bs tonight.  I guess trolls are the worst, then dc losses, then awful players.  Anywho, hopefully I'll be moving on to silver tomorrow.  We shall see.  Night all!

 

on Feb 10, 2013

continuing some ranked now w karl - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

I need 2 wins to hit silver.  He needs 2 wins to move up a rank in silver. 

on Feb 10, 2013

I needed two wins to rank up in silver last night.

 

Then my isp died in the middle of my second game and I got a feederific team for the third that spent the first half of the game throwing their lanes while I pulled off perfectly timed, but usually unassisted ganks on their pushed lanes...  They actually turned it around in the middle of the game, got some good wins in the team fights and made it back to an even footing, but they were all bad at last hitting creeps too.

 

The first game was just as depressing too, asshole enemy jungler rage quit after two failed ganks, leaving a godlike garen a man down.  I expect I'd have lost that one if he'd stayed, my top was one hell of a feeder.  I haven't had a fair match in promotions yet, 9/9 bad games.

on Feb 10, 2013

well... I just limped my way into silver tier 5. 

 

on Feb 10, 2013

Welcome to the nightmare.

on Feb 10, 2013

the nightmare is duoing with hunnybadger   we have like a 25% win rate together.  I'm a glutton for punishment tho

on Feb 10, 2013

OK - so I end the day in silver division 5.  Currently with 34 league points - getting 20+ ish per win or so.  I've been really into the ranked games lately, but I'll try to transition back to some normals.  Been a few days without playing with quite a few folks.  Night all!

on Feb 11, 2013

So - ranked discussion time for anyone that is interested.  Feel free to chime in on any points.  I'll do a super quick recap re: my experience 1st - I did not play ranked in season 1.  Season 2 I duo'd up to gold pretty quickly (think I played like 15 games tops).  I wasn't really into it at the time and wanted the rewards.  Season 3 I'm super into it now that they created this league system. 

League system vs elo.  I guess I never really had much anxiety over re: playing ranked games.  I guess the only thing that was all that stressful was knowing that your 1st 10 games meant a heck of a lot to decide where you'd initial place.  I came up with several theories about what roles were best to duo queue with, etc.  At this point, I don't really care about the roles and just try to get myself a carry of some sort when possible. With elo, it just seemed like you somehow lost more when you take a loss.  Not really sure why it felt that way.

Anyway, I play my placement matches in season 3 (wrote about it a few pages back or so if interested) and end up placing pretty low.  I end up in tier 1 bronze (highest level of crappy bronze land).  Pretty quickly I qualify for my promotional series (you must win 3/5 games to move to a division tier (eg bronze/silver, etc).  If you are just moving up to a different tier within a division (ex silver tier 3, silver tier 2), you just need to win 2/3 games.

I really, really like the league system because it gives you clearly attainable goals.  For instance, I was just promoted to the bottom of silver.  If I win 4 games, I'll be up for a promotional series (I think they call it a diff name when its the best 2/3 games).  That means, if I stuck with it, I could likely promote to a new tier in a day.  Having goals that at least appear easily attainable really make playing more frequently exciting (eg just 1 more game!). 

That said, there's the oh so shitty downside of things.  Now, if I play a game with 5 of my pals in a normal, I generally know what I'm getting.  There's no real random variables.  In ranked, all you have are random variables.  I could solo queue and get 4 randoms and have a great game or get 2 idiots... or get 1 troll.  I'm convinced that with the ranked system as it is, I'll be able to progress through the ranks just fine, but I still personally feel like I've maybe blown in 2-3 times tops in a ranked game now.  I just wish there was a better way to ensure that the games were more consistently even.  There's not.  That's what I kind of dislike about ranked.  There's no real middle ground.  It's just a crap shoot.  All you can do is do your best and try to pick roles that can carry so you have to rely on your teammates less. The system sucks in that I could literally get X number of games in a row with awful teammates or folks that dc.  There's equally good odds that I wouldn't.  But its completely feasible that I could play like a champ and lose game after game.  I'll end up with a > 50% win rate due to my skill level when all is said and done, but seriously - I had to replay my promotion series to get out of bronze like 3 times.  That's just stupid.  Those promotion series are the worst when it comes to the way ranked works (odds of getting tardos could go either way).  If its not a promotion game, then I just bounce back after a loss.  If it is, well, you can get stuck in a loop when you know it should be incredibly easy to get that last win, etc. 

other flaws in the system - I don't think there is any way to tell when you'd be demoted.  I have no idea anyway.  When I got to silver, I lost my first 1-2 games. Then I won some.  Heck if I know if I could be demoted by losing 2 games out of the gates.  And AFAIK, we don't know how that formula works or have enough data to be able to calculate it.  On the plus side, I wasn't all that worried I'd get demoted and I'm not now either. 

Anywho - my thoughts re: ranked for now.

on Feb 11, 2013

You can view your points opposite your wins on the rank display.

on Feb 11, 2013

You can't get demoted right away when you join a new division.  You'll notice a little star like icon next to your name that signifies you're a "recruit" and means you can't be demoted... so I guess it's a great time to spam games to get a point cushion.

I'm stoked on this new system too, it feels more rewarding.  Also I really have enjoyed the two post placement games I played solo, but that could very well be a fluke.  Everyone communicated well and played as a team, so hopefully that continues for me.

Think you're going to have a much better time when you get up to the level that you belong in, since you don't thrive in games that are below your skill level sometimes.

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