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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Feb 18, 2013

duoing w chaos - doing my promo matches now.  http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Feb 18, 2013

we crushed game 1.  1 to go hopefully to promo!  playing now

on Feb 18, 2013

Was watching that game with the amazing Ryze...

He did some crazy crap there...

I really liked that baron flash fail too...

on Feb 18, 2013

yeah... ryze/darius -fucknuts.  I can't believe I was 5/0 early/mid with that shit support.  Guy kept letting taric zone me.  was a treat.

anyway, game 1 - win.  game 2 - failure due to tardos.  Game 3 - duo w sharpy - hopefully a win.  Game starts in about 5 min.

on Feb 18, 2013

had some lag so I had to kill the stream.  Sorry for anyone that was watching.  Sharpy and I pulled out a win.  I was promoted to silver 2.  That's consistent with my theory of you get promoted higher if you are a recruit and can move up a few divs.  Sadly, my recruit status dropped yesterday.  Anyway, goal of advancing met. 

Thanks chaos and sharpy for the help!

i'm going to restart my router, etc, then play some more.  Will start steaming again in about 5-10 min.

on Feb 18, 2013

pacov: Vi is immune to CC in her ultimate.

 

You were typically dead by the time she dashed > ulted.

Note that that has a range of way more than a Malphite ult.

 

You need to not be in the front of pack against a Vi - it's like being in the front against an Annie/Malphite. 

All AD carries ults (with the exception of Trist, Vayne, and Quinn when she is released) exist to provide a way for ADs to contribute damage in a teamfight without having to right click.

Use 'em. 

 

(and Trist has Kog range on autos, and her jumps/ults lets her more safely auto. Vayne has her stealth so she can safely auto once the intiation goes down. Quinn is supposed to just duel the melees to death).

 

Adding to this:

If you are dying over and over like that, it's much better to build defense. 

GA is a good option against true assassins. 

Frozen Mallet or Warmogs are great options against bruisers. 

 

How much damage do you think that Last Whisper did for you? Compared to tanking an extra 700 hp with a FM? 

These days ADCs are building more like "ranged bruisers" than "rush 3 damage items and destroy everyone because your damage multiplies retardedly after the 30 minute mark". 

 

The biggest reason ADCs exist now is to kill towers (since it's nearly impossible to do that in a bruiser comp). 

Just something to keep in mind. 

on Feb 19, 2013

no time to read atm, but will in the am.  thx for watching and any feedback.

sorry about having to kill the stream a few times as well.  No idea why I'm having some lag issues... got me killed 1 time in the last game.  Managed to pull out a win with honey.  I end the night at silver 2 w 22 lp. 

Random side note - I'm cool with duoing w whoever, even if we are often rot together.  Will try to get what I think is a good combo if I'm up for a promo, but that's about it.  Happy to duo w my pals.  night all. 

 

on Feb 19, 2013

@hedgie - well, I'm not really sure how I should have played things.  I was locked down by vi and then wrapped up by chog in most teammfights.  Put that together with smeh malph ults and I'm really at a loss for how to play it differently.  And with how easily the enemy team as getting at me, I don't think ga would have made any difference as a near full hp chog/vi would be right on top of me when I came back to life.  Good feedback.  Only other thing I can think of to have done would be to hide off the screen and wait for vi's ult to hopefully get used on someone else and hope everyone was still alive when I came back.  Anywho, is what it was.

Onto more ranked jibber jabber.  So, that's 2 times where I've been immediately able to promote to a new division tier on the 1st try, which is really encouraging... especially after having to repeat my best of 5 bronze to silver series like 4-5 times.  I'm a little discouraged about not being promoted directly to silver 1, but mostly because it means I have to grind out another sub div before I get to that.  Hopefully I can keep progressing.  Seems like at least a few of you are as passionate as I am about trying to improve our ranks. 

If all goes well for bryff, I think he'll be in silver 2 if he can win another game (last I checked anyway).  Thunder and I are both currently in silver 2.

Riot indicated that they'd make it more difficult to be demoted if you are recently promoted - AND make it so if you are demoted that you'll start with 75 lp instead of 50.  Not sure when this is live or if it is already.

on Feb 19, 2013

@hedgie - well, I'm not really sure how I should have played things.  I was locked down by vi and then wrapped up by chog in most teammfights.  Put that together with smeh malph ults and I'm really at a loss for how to play it differently.  And with how easily the enemy team as getting at me, I don't think ga would have made any difference as a near full hp chog/vi would be right on top of me when I came back to life.  Good feedback.  Only other thing I can think of to have done would be to hide off the screen and wait for vi's ult to hopefully get used on someone else and hope everyone was still alive when I came back.  Anywho, is what it was.

well - staying off the map is what i meant with the "ADCs have ults meant to deal damage from far away". You might not to stay out of the fight 100% until Vi uses her ult, but if you ulted, got that along the team, then went in once she at least had her dash on CD and Cho's rupture was down, it would have been much safer.  Then if you had your FM/GA and you got Vi ulted when not everyone on the enemy team had CDs, you might have survived.

i know Draven is very difficult to teamfight as (Axe catching). And Vi is a complete whore.

It's not easy to position against a Vi, but what you were doing (building pure DPS and standing in the front) obviously wasn't working very well, completely ignoring other stuff (eg, Malphite's ult being down that one fight at your inner top tower). 

i can't recall who your AP was - but generally most APs can easily clear creep waves at the stage of the game you were in. They cold have safely killed creeps and all while you stayed in the back and whacked any melee minions that actually got to the tower.

 

on Feb 19, 2013

a Banshees Veil might have been a good option as well.

They had a Karthus who has difficulty popping it (without ult - and absorbing his ult is a good use). MR good against Karth and they had a Cho too so the health on BV helps with his ult.

As long as Vi's dash was down, then she has to sacrifice her 1.5 second stun by using her ult to gapclose onto you.

Caitlyn could have popped it i guess but your team could have easily blocked it with Malphite at the same time.

on Feb 19, 2013

ah - banshee's probably would have been a great call actually.

on Feb 19, 2013

karl and I will be streaming duo ranked.  we are doing his promo series now.  2 wins and he hits silver 3 - live now - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

 

on Feb 19, 2013

game 1 we crushed - karl's 1 win away from silver 3.

on Feb 19, 2013

I am now 0-5 in promotion series.  I win maybe 2/3 of my regular games, but it doesn't matter one bit if I can't get lucky during promotion series.  Good system Riot.  Really great.  I love systems that randomly screw people over to make things "more exciting".  Yeah, its really exciting to never be promoted because you win the "wrong" games that don't matter so much.

 

EDIT - And now I'm at 99 LP.  Which means that when I win again, essentially 95% of the win will be useless since it only nets me 1 LP.  Another bit of statistical silliness.

on Feb 19, 2013

check THIS post in a few min - going to update it.  Looking for feedback

edit - ok so here's the full game:  http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/b/369271611

If you are interested in this sort of rot, watch the whole game, but skip ahead to 9:30 or so - that's when the game actually starts.  You'll notice karl and I yelling at each a lot.  It happens.  So, just expect that sort of thing going in and brace yourself.  Karl can get super bitchy and so can I. 

The crux of the argument is my decision to split push.  I do this at 28:10 on the twitch steam (not sure in game timer, just know I'm referring to twitch stream time when I say X min).  Anyway, I take mid, I kill support, then I continue split push (keep watching).  I do this because both my top and mid are mostly useless.  Karl complained the most about this decision... where I took 3 towers and we lost  2 towers a dragon.  So, question 1 - was I wrong to take 3 towers in exchange for 2 towers + drag?

Now we move on to where I got incredibly pissed at karl... skip to 32:27.  I make a call for the whole team to angle near bot where we can force a fight outside of the tower range or get another tower.  No one backs this call, even though we know exactly where they will be.  Instead, its ackward engage without adc because I'm heading towards a tower.  Oddly, karl was bitching most about me split pushing and taking 3 towers and not this.  I was always bitching about this.  Reasons for my call.  1 - it wasn't split pushing as the whole team was there (if they just kept moving to me) 2- not great ward coverage for a fight where they drew it 3 - I'm the only 1 taking towers.  If they hesitate for 4 seconds, I kill a tower.  Literally everything that happens next is a result of karl and I disagree.  karl setups for a gank (they had no vision, while we had some).  If everyone went bot, we'd either have gotten a tower or re-engaged as 5 outside of the tower. 

My personal take is that karl did not adapt to what was doing on in the game.  The enemy team did not respond when I split push and I could crush them when I did - much faster than they could take objectives with my team slowing them.  And I'll add, I don't think draven is a split push guy.  I decided this was the best decision in this game based on what was going on in this specific game.  IMO taking 3 towers and losing 2 + drag was the right call. 

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