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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 25, 2013

 

final game of first matchup... super easy

on Mar 25, 2013

swan's team made it through the best of 3 for 1st set easy.  Think its a total of 4 sets (best of 3).  Starting set 2 now.

on Mar 25, 2013

I'll post with screenshots when it's all done... we're on the 2nd game of 2nd match, won the first match and the first game of this match... thanks for cheerin' me on pacov

on Mar 26, 2013

Well - how'd the tourney end up, swan?  Did you guys with the $25,000 prize?

 

Random pacov summary last night.  Kind of wishy washy most of the evening. Quick game on my alt acct for IP.  Played like 1 or 2 with jona, but they were just cake walks on my main.  Did some custom's with zed to dick around.  Switched back to alt account and played a normal - was hooked up with another douchebag premade.  We had a j4/annie bot lane which somehow did not work.  So they sold all of their items 20 minutes in or so and bought wards and put them through our base.  I mocked them for being cheap and not getting pink wards.  Didn't really care, but a annoyed to have my time wasted by fuckwits.  Thus ends pacov summary of gaming.

 

on Mar 26, 2013

just saw this over on reddit...

on Mar 26, 2013

It went better than expected for us... sincerely. Our jungler hadn't played league in like a year, but begged to be on the team.... we came in 3rd out of 16 teams... quit taking screenshots as it was like 3 or 4 in the mornin' here.  The top four teams were us, the University of Minnesota-Duluth team... the University of minnesota- tc team... and some team that plays all the time on online tournaments for money... and we ended up all just getting $10 rp cards for coming in 3rd... 2nd got 25 and 1st got 50+ triumphant ryze skin.  But it was real fun, and I'm super exhausted (i apparently was also the driver for the entire team minus one), but it went way better than the last one, and I'd do it all over again today if it was happening.

on Mar 26, 2013

glad you fellas were able to make it to 3rd place and nice to get a little prize for it as well.  So, series 1 looked like a complete stomp to me as the enemy team was highly unskilled (that poor volibear...).  Do you feel like you guys got stomped in one of your later games, were things close, etc?  Curious if you felt like you ended up against some really talented folks or just mistakes added up to losses.  You should def start a ranked team with your pals if you have not already and get some more games in if you all are looking to do more tourneys in the future. 

So not looking forward to tomorrow morning - huge morning install for me and need to be at work at 5AM.  Hopefully I have enough sense to go to bed early tonight (hint - I do not). 

Hoping we can get some more in house games going soon. 

on Mar 26, 2013
on Mar 26, 2013

I would be willing to do it on the Crystal Scar, but I don't know about SR.

on Mar 26, 2013

pacov wants to play a game of ultimate bravery - 5 of us vs everyone else.

on Mar 26, 2013

NO ONE WILL PLAY ULTIMATE BRAVERY WITH ME!!!

on Mar 26, 2013

What is it that you find so much fun in MOBA type games, Pacov?

I wonder since I have no interest myself in playing teams against strangers (though many seem to like it).

on Mar 26, 2013


glad you fellas were able to make it to 3rd place and nice to get a little prize for it as well.  So, series 1 looked like a complete stomp to me as the enemy team was highly unskilled (that poor volibear...).  Do you feel like you guys got stomped in one of your later games, were things close, etc?  Curious if you felt like you ended up against some really talented folks or just mistakes added up to losses.  You should def start a ranked team with your pals if you have not already and get some more games in if you all are looking to do more tourneys in the future. 

So not looking forward to tomorrow morning - huge morning install for me and need to be at work at 5AM.  Hopefully I have enough sense to go to bed early tonight (hint - I do not). 

Hoping we can get some more in house games going soon. 

our jungler was desperation (hasn't played LOL in a year) and our mid is moving to ND... so looking for replacements for them... so need to find a local supp, jungle or mid... well our 2nd game we got stomped by the team... they they invaded our red which we had warded, but our mid/top/jungle didn't go for theirs because our jungle was too scared of a 3v1 against zed... it was quite frustrating...  our 3rd game was pretty close, but hecarim roflstomped us at about midgame and snowballed from there... the jungle was definitely the biggest difference maker, undoubtedly, and I knew eventually it was going to come down to that as our mid didn't practice and didn't perform.  we had the longest win streak of the entire LAN at 5 games... so we got that  also... in case any of you are interested send me a PM and i can send you some pictures from the event.

on Mar 27, 2013

@campaigner - I'll reply a bit later today... smidge exhausted.

So, its 11:26PM.  You have a huge install that requires you to be at work at 5AM.  You just finished a game of League.  What do you do?  The answer is apparently that you play another game of league that takes about an hour and cry in the morning... ouch, says pacov.

on Mar 27, 2013

Campaigner
What is it that you find so much fun in MOBA type games, Pacov?

I'll get to the MOBA aspect in a sec, but here's some of the non-moba things that keep me playing and I strangely enjoy about league of legends. 

  1. Constant expansion of content, bug fixes, patching, and polish.  As long as the game exists (no real end in sight), we'll keep seeing new champions, new skins, and new features.  Riot's pretty good about communicating what they've been working on and sharing thing with the community.  There's currently like 3-5 things including new champs and reworked champs that I'm looking forward to and will see in the next couple of weeks.
  2. Grinding.  For every game you play, you get IP.  You can use IP to unlock champs, rune pages, etc.  I don't really know why, but I really like knowing that I'm getting something out of each and every game.  You get more for a win and less for a loss.  There's a daily 1st win of the day bonus that gives you extra IP and motivates you to knock out a game a day.
  3. And here's a quick summary of other things I dig but don't have time to elaborate - huge amount of community content including guides, replays, tournaments, lives streams, solid ranked system, the fact that its a new ranked system, features that punish people for behaving poorly, that Riot is incredibly serious about making league a fun experience for everyone where you don't have to deal with asshats on a super regular basis.

So, re: moba's in general - I think a lot of it just comes down to preference in gaming.  I like that you have access to a bunch of different characters (league has > 100) that can have unique synergy with other champs.  I like working with a team to accomplish things.  I like being able to level up a character as the game goes on and to be reward (if I play intelligently) for leveling up faster than someone else.  I like the dueling aspect of going against someone 1v1 and kicking their ass (when that happens ofc).  And I like that its all a repeatable experience.  Games last from 20 to 60 minutes on the map I play on anyway (other maps 8-20 min).  And I have a good pool of pals to play with on a regular basis.  I even like the farming aspect of moba's where you are rewarded for having good mechanical skill.  Some games are more fast paced than others, but there's always something to be thinking about and processing.  For instance, if there is a global objective that is good for the team near the bottom of the map and I'm near the top, then I'm thinking about how we can get that objective while I'm fighting someone at the top of the map.  And I'm constantly paying attention to where the enemy is on the map.  Anyway, I guess the short version on that rap is that the game rewards you for intelligent decisions and good map awareness, even if you happen to do poorly fighting whoever you are laned against.  I've seen people play incredibly terribly and still be able to provide something useful for the team (ofc I've also seem folks just play incredibly terribly period).  Anyway, with so many characters and so many possibilities of champions you'll fight with and against, each game becomes a varied experience. 

Anywho - all of that said, its really just a matter of if you dig those things I mentioned.  If so, then its free to try out at least and there is a tutorial and ai to fight against.  My thought is that if you are interested and the cost is the time for you to download and fire up a game, then give it a look, play a few games, and decide if its something you might enjoy.  I like MOBA's in general, but I did not like LoL when I first played it.  I came back around later and now its my number 1 game.

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