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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Sep 04, 2013

PLATINUM PACOV!!!!

I played smeh... then had god awful lag... finally, late game, I did myself proud.  Really weak showing early from me... lag seemed to be on my side... killed the stream, etc

anyway, I MADE IT!@!!!!!

kjaslkdjaskldjakldjaskld

 

on Sep 04, 2013

was watchin' good job pacov!

on Sep 04, 2013

gratz

on Sep 04, 2013

grats

on Sep 04, 2013

on Sep 04, 2013

Just to say again - I'm super happy I hit plat tonight.  Thx for the well wishing and all that.  Night fellas. 

on Sep 05, 2013

OK fellas - so I have 3 current requests to duo with folks in ranked - swan, zodiark (brad wong), and hunny.  I believe hunny is shooting to try to hit plat before end of season - he's gold III atm.  Swan is silver II.  Brad is in his placement series.  He was gold last season (I think gold V), and has only played 1-2 games of ranked this season... something like that.  So, he was likely reset to a hidden elo around silver I or silver II.  Not sure if he wins all his placement if the system will jump him to plat or stick him somewhere in gold II or gold I.  Last, there is swan - he's silver II.

Anyway, I met my goal of hitting plat before the season ended.  I'm happy to help these guys out, but if others we're willing to do the same, that would be great.  Let me/those fellas know if you are up for helping them out.  Everyone's trying to hit w/e their goal is before end of season.  Swan and Brad both asked me to duo with them at some point today.  I'll likely be on about the regular time - so, whoever is free then, I'll hook up with and duo some.  Happy to play w/e role you want and use my alt account if desired. 

on Sep 05, 2013

So, he was likely reset to a hidden elo around silver I or silver II. Not sure if he wins all his placement if the system will jump him to plat or stick him somewhere in gold II or gold I. Last, there is swan - he's silver II.

From a discussion I read on General Discussion, he won't be nearly that high even if there isn't any decay (not sure if MMR decays or not, not sure if anything decays if no matches have been played that season).

Apparently, pretty much the highest that anybody was able to place was Gold I.  That was if you were Diamond last season and went 10-0 in placement.  With only a Gold V last season, Brad should probably plan on being somewhere in midish Silver after placement matches IMO.

on Sep 05, 2013

Well, our new pal grendelgod was Silver last season.  He completed his placement matches a couple of weeks ago and hit gold I going 10-0 or 9-1 - something like that.  I think he had some losses after that and got bopped down to gold II.  Anyway, based on that gold 1 is certainly possible, but not probable - you are probably right re: no hope in placing in plat out of the gates.  10-0 isn't incredibly realistic, but if we duo queue on my alt account the odds should go a wee bit up I'd hope.  That said, I was in the exact same boat as him and started in bronze I after botching my placement matches from gold V... so hopefully he doesn't do that. 

Anyway, all of that said, mid silver is most probable.  It'd be fricken great if we could get him to gold quickly, but I won't hold my breath. 

on Sep 06, 2013

I really do like swan.  Just going to cover that now because I got in a bit of a rotten mood tonight.

 

So - the last few nights have been bittersweet.  Whiles its possible I could be having ddos attacks here and there, I doubt it.  I swapped out IPs late tonight to cover that, but hopefully its just an ISP issue... if I've somehow managed to get someone that pissed or bored to hit me with that crap, well... I'm surprised and a bit sad.  Anywho, I have some shitty ass lag issues during my last game of my promo to plat.  I very fortunately manage to win thx to it ebbing off and a decent team come late game.  Tonight, I've just been wrecked on and off due to net issues.  I'm pretty confident the issues aren't coming from LoL (even though there was a recent patch and riot indicating there are issues atm).  My bandwidth just goes to shit... my phone has enough bandwidth to power a game of LoL... hence the ddos or ISP thoughts.

Anyway, ranked recap - I'm on help folks mode.  It isn't super exciting, but I don't mind.  Played 3 with swan.  1/2.  ouch. Game 1 - we crush bot lane.  They end up with a hyper carry yi that has a BF at 5 minutes in.  The bot lane are scrubs... but folks just keep feeding yi.  End result, no silence on the team and skillshot based cc - we lose.  Disappointing considering it was a cake win if not for yi.  Game 2 was completely excruciating to me.  We win.  I get random lag of 1-2 seconds when I'm running adc.  Things are glitching out on screen.  I think I'm in 1 place, I tp to another 1-2 seconds later.  And I need to cs well... and I'm against a leona, so a misstep of 1-2 seconds = death.  We win, but due almost entirely to my other teammates doing so well.  Winning is nice and all, but not being able to do a damn thing blows.  Def better than losing and being boned.

Last game, swan under performs a bit imo bot lane resulting in some problems.  Their bot was pretty soft and some misplays on his side hurt us quite a bit.  I feel like i could have carried quite a bit and dominated bot with a little better supporting. 

 

All of that said - here's my super quick seminar on supporting.  I might be arrogant, but I think I'm likely the best support of any of us that play and discuss things here.  STFU PACOV - THERE'S NO NEED TO SAY ANY OF THAT.  Here are 2 things I want to strongly recommend to everyone that I already do and am rewarded for consistently. 

  • Unless you are playing a carry support (eg some crazy bs with karma or another champ that isn't a "true" support) - ALWAYS start 4 green wards, 1 pink ward, and whatever 2 pots you want (I usually go 1 red/1 blue).  Once you get to lane, immediately check the enemy support's items.  If they have no pinks, ward w/e is best.  If they have a pink, try to be more strategic.  Always, check, then make a decision on where to pink, etc.  You get all of those wards to ensure your lane is safe AND you buy more time for your adc to be safe if he's cs'ing well.  A support with zero wards early/mid means your adc should back even if he's 100% hp/mana.  It's not safe and you just setup the guy that you are literally doing everything you can to get ahead back.
  • Health quints.  I have a setup that I run more often than not that is hurtful to your income, but is very often incredibly helpful to your early game and helping your adc be strong in lane.  If you are EVER concerned about a matchup in bot lane, take 3 health quints and completely skip your gp10 quints.  That's 70-80 extra HP.  That covers you if you screw up or your adc needs you to go apeshit to get folks to back up off of him.  Yes, you suffer a little more than you'd like, but again, your role is to get your adc ahead early mid.  If you don't do that, either your adc is crap or you are.  Your job is to do whatever you can to make sure he wins lane and locks down kills.  If someone has "surprised you with a gank," you failed as a support.  If your HP it too low to help, you failed as a support (well, maybe not always, but if you got poked down being out of position for no reason... yeah, you blew it in your role). 

 

So - summarizing that all quick like - 1 - ALWAYS start 4 green/1 pink/2 pots of your choice unless you are a carry support.  2 - seriously consider running health quints on your support if you have any concerns about the matchup or just want an additional advantage.  I run 1/2 almost every game as support.  You should at least consider running item 2 and 80% of the time, run suggestion 1. 

For anyone curious about the followup to a setup like this, I run what is above.  If at all possible, on my 1st shop, I get a ruby crystal and another green + a pink ward.  Next shop I get sight stone and continue to get a pink for whatever. If the enemy support is spot on with wards or invests in a ton of pinks, I get an oracles to clear that crap and force her to fall behind in money.  A good support will likely pick up an oracle to counter that...but because they already invested a bunch in pinks, they take a bigger loss. 

 

 

on Sep 06, 2013

I might be arrogant, but I think I'm likely the best support of any of us that play and discuss things here.

huh? last week you think that climbing with support is for scrubs and now suddenly you're the best support player in the group?

 

 

on Sep 06, 2013

heh - I woke up this morning and it occurred to me how that was a pretty douchey thing to say.  Being in a rotten mood and possessing great timing...

I shall edit the above to remove the stench of douche.

on Sep 06, 2013

Bryff can't post to the blog for some reason, but pm'd me this:

You shouldn't ALWAYS start 4 green 1 pink.  It depends on your style.  I like to get fairy charm because I like being in their faces and getting aggressive, and I also like putting a shield on the adc whenever it even looks like the other adc is close enough to try for a hit, and also just put it on them when they use a skill, just to buff the ad ratio on it.  I like to use mana.  I've tried the 4 green start but I feel like it's not as powerful.  From the times I've done it it hasn't worked.

Well, here's the thing with any different type of start - you obviously aren't used to it automatically.  If I started with any mana using support, I'd notice a hit to my common play style if I started without a fairy charm.  Granted, its not a huge difference imo, but it is certainly a difference. 

Deeper analysis - a fairy charm gets you +3 mana regen per 5 seconds.  Now, just going on that alone and not factoring whatever support's base mana regen per sec, what's that do for you?  That's 36 additional mana every minute. 

Now, compare that to the cost of spells on janna for instance - level 1 whirlwind = 90 mana.  Level 1 zephry = 40 mana.  Level 1 shield = 70 mana.  Now, during laning, you are likely maxing shield - so, before your first back, you might have a level 3 shield - 90 mana per use.

How long you can stay in lane is decided by quite a few things.  Your adc wanting to back for whatever reason (to buy, low hp, etc), the support dying or getting so low that is no longer safe to say, and lack of vision.  Anyway, the longer you stay, the more potential benefit you get out of that fairy charm.  5 minutes in lane makes that fairy charm worth 180 regenerated mana.  To break that down re: janna, that's like having 2 additional level 3 shields or 2 level 1 whirlwinds.  So, fairy charm does enable you to cast a few more spells, but again, the actual result is that during a 5 minute laning experience, you gain 2 extra shields or 2 1level 1 whirlwinds.  

Now, let's say there are no kills going down and the lane is even.  Both adc's are safe, but now you are out of wards.  The enemy has wards left as they started 4 green/1 pink.  Your safety level drops substantial due to a lack of vision.  Now, ganks are substantially more possible, etc, while the enemy does not have the same concerns due to having vision.   The good news is, you are still janna and can likely push back the enemy and save, but not always.  The lack of vision can disrupt your adc's ability to farm and, worst case, result in death.

Other thoughts - mana is a more manageable resource than wards.  By that I mean that your wards do not automatically regenerate over time.  If I choose to be more mindful of how I use my mana, it lasts longer.  With wards, once I use them, they are gone.  I can go to lane with a slight bonus to my mana at the cost of vision for my adc.  Vision he will need if the laning phase goes on an extended amount of time.  Or, I can choose to be more mindful of my mana usage early and take additional wards to provide vision if we do go to an extended laning phase. 

Summary - personally, I don't think the benefits of fairy charm (36 mana per min) outweigh the benefits you get from additional vision.  I believe taking a loss as support (fairy charm builds into a gp10, so its certainly nice for a support to get early) by purchasing extra wards is very helpful for the team. 

 

on Sep 06, 2013

Some other thoughts re: 4 green/1 pink/2 pots is the optimal start.  It even gives you the added flexibility of putting up a 3 min ward in the jungle to aid your mid, etc, in case they did not pick 1 up, without setting your lane behind.  Eg - that's also helpful to your team and a good thing to do in solo queue if you see your mid without a ward. 

All of that to say, of course you can do other starts as support, I just think that is optimal for the team.  If you wanted to be more aggressive, you could even go 2 pinks with some greens as a start to put increased pressure bot.  I just don't think the added mana regen is worth it.

 

Going further, but along the same lines, I mentioned I also am often going health quints.  That is also for the adc.  It means I can more safely poke, etc.  That said, you absolutely notice a difference when you don't run the gp/10.  And its annoying as you are likely pretty poor until you can get your sightstone + 1 gp/10.  That said, it takes some getting used to - just like not running a fairy charm takes some getting used to. 

Both starts are far from optimal for yourself, as a support.  They actually set YOU back.  BUT - they also provide a better chance for your adc/team to get ahead early... which I think is my job when I'm running support.

on Sep 06, 2013


Last game, swan under performs a bit imo bot lane resulting in some problems.  Their bot was pretty soft and some misplays on his side hurt us quite a bit.  I feel like i could have carried quite a bit and dominated bot with a little better supporting.  

Swan is a great support.  You're using GP10 Quints when playing ADC on your smurf account.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that your MMR on your smurf account has stabilized to the point where you can't carry games with your platinum level mechanics while using bronze runes anymore.

When playing support, you make decisions in lane based on past experience playing with people using pretty much the same combination of Quints:  Lifesteal/Flat AD.  Either your lane partner does damage and wins trades or has more sustain to make up for it.

When you go to lane with someone using shitty runes that don't do either of those things, it can throw your whole game off even if you know in advance that their setup isn't ideal.

And calling out Ms Swan would have been really poor form even if it wasn't likely that your contributed significantly to losing the lane.

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