bah - negative smeh.  Quite specifically - a few clear instances stood out in that one game. Swan decided to stare, while standing back at the tower at the enemy support removing his ward near dragon.  During this time, we had a 2v1 opportunity against their ADC or at least a great zoning setup.  Just a tunnel vision problem, but potentially a kill op missed.  Another instance, failure to ward the near bush when there was an extreme probability of a gank - I said multiple times to just bubble where you are looking to ward and then ward.  Instead, gets caught waiting far too long to ward.  And a missed couple of kills due to the support not ulting.  It's legitimate criticism and not meant to be hurtful... unlike the implication that I perhaps lost my lane because I didn't have 2 lifesteal quints + 1 ad quint and that my mmr has caught up with me.  That's the only difference between my adc runes on my alt and my primary account.  The problems bot in that game occurred for the reason I stated.  The only real teachable moment, imo, is re: getting a ward out safely by using your champs abilities if you aren't sure where the enemy is (eg starting a janna whirlwind and moving to ward as it casts so anyone waiting to ambush you is knocked up and you get a ward out safely - or nami using a bubble on a spot where the enemy might be and then warding immediately during the cast and backing up). 

Anyway, for better or worse, I'm taking my time and trying my best to help folks out.  To boot, I'm willing to play whatever role whoever I'm duoing with wants.  In ranked, I'm looking to win.  I'm taking my time and trying my best for the specific goal of getting whoever I'm duoing with a win.  Anytime there is a loss, I often consider that wasted time.  If I lose, I want it to be because I was outplayed or underperformed.   I'd prefer the failure to be on me.  If I'm duoing with someone and think there is a problem with how they are playing, I'm going to tell them.  I do tell them.  I'm a swell support and have bad games as well.  Crap happens. 

What you just posted was legitimate criticism.  The post that I had referred to was essentially:

ADC Using Support Runes - "My Support lost the lane and the game."

So, what part of what I said was truly the most hurtful?  That since you've been winning with your smurf account, you're going to start bringing in tougher competition than before?  Or that Support runes aren't ideal on an ADC?

I certainly need to work on my skills for getting folks to talk about the topic I'm interested in.  I have a few quick thoughts on all that.  But, seeing as I've dug a wee hole, I'll recap and extrapolate just a sec.

1 - I'm usually aware when I've said something inflammatory.  Granted, sometimes my brain is slow, like yesterday, where I said something fairly idiotic.  Eg, for no logical reason in the slightest, I proclaimed myself king support of everyone I play with.  This is an exceptionally stupid thing to say.  Even if it were true, and there was a way to measure such a thing evenly, its just dumb to say crap like that to pals.  I apologize for that.  Quite foolish and rude - that was in poor taste.  

2 - I offered a 1-2 line critique of how swan performed in 1 game as support.  I fleshed out the reasoning a bit in the follow up post.  No offense really meant; hopefully none taken.  Thunder thinks its inappropriate to call out folks like that.  I'll take that under advisement.

3 - pacov has completed his formula.  The formula is to say something arrogant or imply superiority to fellow players.  That = here comes the fuck you train. This formula is tested and true. 

Well again, knowing that I've met the criteria of my formula, I'm expected some fuck you inbound, so I read your post through those goggles.  I read that regardless of what I said, that the fault in laning was my lack of runes.  Which I find to be a comment without merit regarding what actually happened in the game.  You make a supposition to defend someone without any knowledge of the actual game.  I suppose I could have simply said, no - I don't think runes were a factor.  To which you could continue to suppose they were.  In short, not all that valuable to either of us.  Your point seemed to be that you think its shitty to call someone out here.  Probably right. 

I'll probably hop back to the whole support start discussion in a bit.  I'll make another quick attempt here though - what do you folks think re: support starting with 4 green/1 pink/2 pots?  I think its quite possible the best start for most supports at this time.  Bryff thinks/prefers to start with an item like fairy charm for additional mana output.  Any other thoughts? 

I do both 180gp items and 2 wards.  I do an early back around 450-500 gold, finish up the philo stone, buy a couple more wards, and get back to the lane.  I've done enough early harass by this point that my health is usually pretty low.  If my carry sucks, it's been to little effect, when they don't they should be substantially ahead in the lane at this point.

Don't lose vision that fast, wards last 3 minutes after all.  You shouldn't need to ward in the first couple minutes depending on the enemy jungle, and then you should only need the one ward before level 6, when most of the lanes become risky.  Keep your ass in the bush, let the other guy blow wards for vision if he wants to, just play smart and your second ward is a spare with supports that have a disengage.  You only need to start being overly cautious with someone like Janna after you've lost flash/exhaust.

Plat 3! Diamond 2013 any body?????

It's a simple fact that GP10 Quints aren't as good as LS/AD Quints.  I didn't need to watch the game to be able to point out the possibility that your rune situation might have thrown off Ms Swan's game.

You can call out anyone you want when you lose a game, but I'd suggest learning to be less sensitive to having your rune setup or anything else about your play criticized after if you do.  

I've seen this sort of thing as well, and while its not necessarily wrong, I tend to think its not the best possible move.  When you back early, you leave your adc exposed - even if you ward.  If I see an adc without a support, that's an immediate signal to me that the enemy adc is done farming now - because my support and I will make him done farming.  In that case, the early back is positive for you (the support), because you now have extra income, but you likely cost the adc some money/xp.  Now, if you were sneaky with something like that, then perhaps it would take the enemy a bit to figure out that you left your adc.  Eg, if you back in a bush where you know they don't have vision, you have bought some time where the support/adc don't zone out your adc. 

Anyway, I think the general strategy is one that is not in your adc's best interest.  It helps the support, which in turn helps the adc eventually, but at the loss of early game pressure/domination (unless your harass has succeeded in getting your adc a kill or getting them low enough that they cannot counter).  As a rule, I try to only back when my adc does early/mid. 

That would be pretty freaking solid.  CAN YOU DO IT, COW?

Bryff does magical replies while he's at home.  League download taking forever and then some.  Want to play anything, even the dreaded support.

Yay - wb bryff.  No idea why you couldn't post, but glad that's sorted now - pacov's off to bed tho :/

Side note - I am really bad.  I went on an awful streak tonight.  On the bright side, I didn't have any system issues or slowdown outside of 10 minutes 1 game, so that's encouraging at any rate.  I also discovered that karl will be eating or silent if I ask him to duo ever.    Ah, the good old days where I made sure karl would be invited to my games. 

Anywho - I am finding plat games to be fairly one sided.  It's kind of strange.  Bronze was WILDLY inconsistent.  Silver was quite a bit inconsistent.  Gold was kinda even.  Plat so far is WILDLY inconsistent.  Again, in my experience.  When I say inconsistent, I mean that 1-2 roles will be completely awful in most games.  Then you have the spill over and high odds of loss.  In gold, I actually found that most games were consistent (eg 1 role would lag behind, but others would move ahead).  Not really sure why there are all the imbalances.  I think I might just be dealing with slightly lower mmr and needing to crawl out of plat 5.  I feel like I'm likely at a place where good players appear and cross paths with so so folks.  Anyway, hopefully that changes.  As it stands, a good performance from me could very well end in a loss because of a CRAZY FUCK YOU GOOD performance out of another player on the other team.  That kind of blows. 

Anyone else have any thoughts on the changes to garen?  I skimmed and watched a bit of that vid from the crying diamond 1 player complaining about him.  Just played him on pbe and was fine imo.

for anyone that cares, you can now use html in your friend list notes.  Here's an example.

<font color="#FF00FF">Flex player - pals with many I play with</font>

You just copy/paste that into the friends list and click up.  Then just mouse over the name and you see what it looks like. 

Here's what one looks like in this format:

going to try to log my games tonight - all ranked.

• game 1 - support janna.  Nice champ select lobby with a few flex folks.  I play well all game.  A few misplays by jungler/adc early.  We end up crushing all said and done.  Enemy team surrenders at 20.

thus ends log... starting play in house

PLAT II. I CAN SMELL THAT DIAMOND BORDER ALREADY

Will you taste the glory and be the 1st of us to hit diamond?  WILL YOU?

Thanks for all the fun games tonight fellas.  Calling it a night now.  Had 2 in house games with folks I mostly don't know and 1 with more folks I know.  Was nice to play with brad again even if we didn't destroy hunny's cat face.  Night all!

I probably shouldn't play tbh. This wifi connection gives me the most awful lag and ping spikes. It was hard to do much in teamfights with the freezing.