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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Dec 16, 2013

Well, I'm out of town for the next few days on business.  I think I'm actually in pacovtown if I remember where pacov lives, but I think they made me go to the crappy side of town...

on Dec 17, 2013

Oh good - I'm a slum lord on the other side of town, so that works.  What does business have you doing in cbus, karl?

on Dec 17, 2013

Oh - I'm about 2 weeks now as a non smoker.  Good for me.  Lost my mind a smidge but its coming back around.  Been opting to play age of empires 2 a bit lately as its more of a chill out and relax sort of game than LoL when my competitive side is going.  I'll most likely be up and around for LoL tonight, though. 

on Dec 17, 2013

I'm training some people through Wednesday.  Originally I was going to be up north in Dublin, but then I got moved down into the Southeast part of town which doesn't seem quite so nice.

on Dec 17, 2013

Where abouts southeast?  Dublin is nice anyway

on Dec 18, 2013

scaling back my game time a smidge.  Think I only got 2 lol games in tonight.  Had a nice evening, though. 

on Dec 24, 2013

Merry Christmas (eve) everyone!  Hope everyone has a good Christmas and safe travels!

 

Quick recap from me as its been a bit since I've posted here.  I've started posting more on the madcast forums (www.madcastgaming.com - this is the group I've been playing a ton with and joined).  Been playing LoL and Marvel heroes intermittently.  They've recently added a bunch of content to MH and I'm enjoying playing it.  They even have a Christmas thing going where if you log in once a day, they give you random gifts.  Things that would normal take like 5 hours to get, some real money to use in their store (like if riot game you money for skins in LoL), etc.  Anyway, much fun.

My ranked 5's team is going through some transitions.  We ended up dropping someone that got on my nerves a bit and were able to quickly replace em.  We were going to drop another fellow due to attendance issues out of the adc role.  I'm happy to say I quickly got 3 other folks that want his spot, but we are going to give the fella another go.  If he continues to have attendance issues, he's getting the boot.  Really happy with our top/mid.  I've got 2 rock solid teammates so far that are 100% committted and show up as scheduled (mid/top).  We'll see how things develop, but I'm encouraged with how things are going. 

Let's see... I started work on a more in depth jungling article, but kind of fizzed out (and folks aren't super interested) - here's a link:  http://www.madcastgaming.com/ips/topic/14298-whenhow-to-invade-a-discussion-on-the-best-way-to-start-as-a-jungler-in-season-4-on-sr-pt1/

still a non smoker - kind of annoying at times, but I already feel a bunch better. 

on Dec 24, 2013

Merry Christmas to you and Karl and Bryff!  And anyone else who still reads this blog now that you do most of the posting on the MadCast forums.

Congrats on the non-smoking thing, that's awesome.  Patching it or cold turkey?

Been watching your ranked team play when I'm at work sometimes and you guys have been doing super good, but you might find some fiercer competition when you start playing Ranked.  And I'm not just talking about the 5X Diamond teams.

Here are my unsolicited suggestions:

- Try and get Kit to stop playing with Gold Quints AND Seals.  Just not worth the huge laning disadvantage now that supports get a lot more gold IMO.

- Every after game talk I've been privy to you guys have, all have revolved around "We should have pushed when-" or something like that.  You're pretty much the coach, so start coaching some fundamentals instead of just big picture tactics.  You have the Showdown available for another week for some 2v2's and 1v1's to improve peoples laning, you can help people expand their champ rosters to improve team comps.  Not every loss can be explained away with "We should have ___ed when they ___"

- The few seconds it takes for the enemy to jump out of the fog of war and kill you while you're split pushing is not the huge opportunity for your team to take objectives that you think it is.  It was fun playing with you the other day, but it was interesting to hear you say "Well, we drew two of the other team's heavy hitters down to us but I guess we're not going to do anything with it."  We don't know you're about to die 2v2 because their are less wards now, and that still leaves 3 of the enemy team to deal with.  Exactly how many towers and inhibitors do you want us to take 3v3 with while you're dying?  It's amusing for those of us who are used to playing with you, but in a more competitive Ranked 5's environment it might get a little obnoxious to have a team's shotcaller have that perception.

on Dec 24, 2013

I'm sure that your team will well in ranked 5s once you actually start doing them.

Thundercles
- The few seconds it takes for the enemy to jump out of the fog of war and kill you while you're split pushing is not the huge opportunity for your team to take objectives that you think it is.  It was fun playing with you the other day, but it was interesting to hear you say "Well, we drew two of the other team's heavy hitters down to us but I guess we're not going to do anything with it."  We don't know you're about to die 2v2 because their are less wards now, and that still leaves 3 of the enemy team to deal with.  Exactly how many towers and inhibitors do you want us to take 3v3 with while you're dying?  It's amusing for those of us who are used to playing with you, but in a more competitive Ranked 5's environment it might get a little obnoxious to have a team's shotcaller have that perception.

Yeah, this has been discussed here before, but I've seen this in the Madcast ranked 5 team as well.

Just because somebody gets kill 1v3 isolated from the rest of the team does not mean that there is now a great opportunity to get an inhib or baron.  The windows for a play like that are very narrow so they have to be in position for it right away.  If they aren't, its just not there.  You've yelled at your team for not going for an EXTREMELY questionable baron with 4 people (sans jungler) because you get picked off by yourself in bot lane while they were somewhat scattered around mid.  That play just wasnt there, but you yelled at them about it for like 5 minutes.

I'd really suggest that you go back and look at the replays on some of these the next day - it might help you out with your shot calling in the long run.

You probably need to splitpush yourself less if you want to be making those plays (so that the smite is there for baron - you really can't go for a fast before without your jungler since their jungler can steal too easily), and it really helps to have a teleport on the split pusher.

 

Also, you might want to spend some time discussing item choices after some of your games.  I've seen some questionable item choices in quite a few games.  I'm not an expert on item choices outside of jungle, but even I can tell that some of the itemization it a bit odd.  For example, I think that I see Warmogs way too often on your team IMO.

on Dec 26, 2013

Thundercles
Patching it or cold turkey?

never really been a fan of patching/substitution.  The addiction is to nicotine - so just changing to something else in a smaller dose just makes things agonizing.  Besides, I'm more of a pull the band aid off quick and just say "ow" instead of doing it slowly. Thanks for asking.

Thundercles
Been watching your ranked team play when I'm at work sometimes and you guys have been doing super good, but you might find some fiercer competition when you start playing Ranked. And I'm not just talking about the 5X Diamond teams.

I'm not really concerned about facing better teams, etc.  We'll fight em and win or lose.  No biggie.  My goals are pretty simple for the team.  Meet consistently, sort through personality conflicts, get better as a team - kind of in that order, I think. Anyway, I'm not going to exactly be surprised if we get our arses handed to us. 

Thundercles
- Try and get Kit to stop playing with Gold Quints AND Seals. Just not worth the huge laning disadvantage now that supports get a lot more gold IMO.

Kit's off the team.  Our new support is hyndesyte and he'll be initially running more ap carry style supports.  We're going to discuss that concept more as a team and move him towards more common supports based on bot lane chemistry and how he performs as AP carry support (are we still getting wards, pros/cons, etc).

 

re: me being the "coach" - well, I don't know so much about that.  I guess a little bit.  Think of it more like football if you want to go that way - I'm probably more of an offensive/defensive coordinator and you are talking about a quaterback coach, etc.  I'm not really lasering in on individuals outside of things that hurt the overall team strategy.  Things like you need to rotated to here if X happens, you need to back door now while we X, you need to not run around their jungle for inexplicable reasons, and you need to drop off that tower immediately to attack dragon... or other stuff like I should have made this or that call for X reason. 

Thundercles
Not every loss can be explained away with "We should have ___ed when they ___"

Well... all of our loses I can explain why we did lose, though.  So far anyway. 

Thundercles
"Well, we drew two of the other team's heavy hitters down to us but I guess we're not going to do anything with it."

Comments like that from me are usually pretty disingenuous or at least prove to be incorrect on reflection.  I wouldn't really take me seriously in such instances and I really should just keep my mouth shut when I make goofball decisions like that.  I try to stay away from such things with my team as I do tend to f around quite a bit less there.

onto mr karl!

Krazikarl
I'd really suggest that you go back and look at the replays on some of these the next day - it might help you out with your shot calling in the long run.

I really should - of all the vid's I've made of the team, I've only looked back on a few of the games.  Wish I had LoLreplay installed/it worked as I'd enjoy reviewing a game with the team.  It would probably be really beneficial for us to take a look at what I'm doing in the jungle and what each lane is doing to explain the thought process, etc.

Krazikarl
Also, you might want to spend some time discussing item choices after some of your games. I've seen some questionable item choices in quite a few games. I'm not an expert on item choices outside of jungle, but even I can tell that some of the itemization it a bit odd. For example, I think that I see Warmogs way too often on your team IMO.

Definitely something I'll keep in mind and take a look at (and mention to the team). 

 

Thanks for the thoughts/feedback, fellas!  Hopefully catch you in game soon (I'll be on some tonight). 

on Dec 28, 2013

best vid I've seen all day... worth a watch

 

on Dec 28, 2013

Cigarettes are smelly so hurrah for tons of lifes

on Dec 29, 2013

yeah - I actually feel much better - it was like a chronic sinus infection (you just get used to feeling congested) for the last year or so.  That went away in like 2 days of quiting.  The only problem is the mental stuff.  That feeling where I think I'm supposed to be doing something, but I'm not doing it and am therefore slacking off or something.  Sadly, that thing I think I should be doing is smoking because that's what I used to do.  Anyway, that will pass in time, but its pretty annoying.  There's nothing even remotely intelligent about smoking.  You pay money to maintain an addiction to something that does nothing for you. 

Anywho - guess what?  I learned something.  I learned how to delete players as kha'zix.  I'll share what I consider the "correct" setup for him.  r > q > e > w.  Level your upgraded ult q/e/r.   Running cdr blue, amr pent/ad (quint/red)/armor yellow.  21/9 masteries. 

Build playstyle - isolate and kill.  Jungle kha, btw.  You can have a crappy start and be weak, but I found late game, all you need to do is understand how his passive works and also understand that you can cast you q and tiamat/hydra mid air. If you have someone issolated and do that and toss in an aa - they are dead... and you still have a w.  He's actually the 1 jungler I think mobo boots on is actually necessary.  Those mobo boots + his ult/jump mean extreme gap closer mid/late. 

My one game tonight vs peeps I did crap early... so so early mid, crazy good mid/late.  Think I had multiple triple kills.  Anyway, you have to play him differently, though.  You learn when to take a shot and then take it. 

 

on Dec 29, 2013

I learned that red trinket will disable traps for the duration.  Irelia vs teemo lane?  Wait for the blind harass, then jump to a minion and ew on him, when he puts down a shroom you just trinket right there, or if he runs you can trinket and ignore any shrooms he has set up.  Make sure there are still enemy minions in lane and you have r before going in, or he'll probably still manage to kill you in a full on fight in mid laning phase.

AP teemo just died.

on Dec 30, 2013

hedgie - put a reminder on your calendar - im thinking 2-3 weeks and you can win the next skin contest. 

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