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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

Comments (Page 42)
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on Apr 18, 2012

duo-queue system is a little more weird than that from my experience.  a 2000 and 1300 elo duo were in my 1700-1800 elo games.  Sometimes when I duo-queue with someone else in 1800's (currently ~1850), we'll go up against people as high as 2200.

on Apr 18, 2012

duo-queue system is a little more weird than that from my experience. a 2000 and 1300 elo duo were in my 1700-1800 elo games. Sometimes when I duo-queue with someone else in 1800's (currently ~1850), we'll go up against people as high as 2200.

weird.  No idea how they factor it all then.  Ah well. 

on Apr 18, 2012

looks like they actually released the patch!

on Apr 18, 2012

Hedgie and I have a group we hook up with to play a 5 man premade every once in a while... problem is they aren't that into competitive pregame strategizing even though one is a really good ranked player.

Only time we talked about roles before going into queue was to agree to all play AD.  Jungle Cait, Top Tris, Midgot, Vayne and Support Ashe bottom.

Our support Ashe dropped fairly early but we still won... not sure if it was cause my teammates were better than our opponents or because they wrote us off cause of the troll comp and DC.

Good luck getting your own 5 man team going Pacov, but my experience with former Demigodders has been poor.  I don't mind being criticized or bitched at in game, but when after the game we just queue back up without any explanation why what I was doing was so wrong or without any attempt at making a gameplan to improve our team comp or teamwork since apparently winning at LoL is extremely important to some people, well...

on Apr 18, 2012

Thanks for the info Pacov. I think bluetooth headset is the way I want to go. Don't want to spend a ton of money, but looks like I can get a decent one for ~$50. A much better alternative to having my laptop with a mic in it on my lap haha!

As for duo queue, I know Riot have admitted it really doesn't work the way it should. I've been following Lyte's matchmaking threads on the LOL forum. Check'em out if at all interested. There is a lot in them though. Here is the most recent one: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1827767&highlight=matchmaking+with+lyte

on Apr 18, 2012

re: bluetooth - here's the one I use and would swear by.  I've had quite a few and I recommend this one hands down.  It's currently $70 on amazon, though.  http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-Voyager-PRO-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B0027FFZEW

@thunder - see, what I'd want to be doing in forming a team that would play in ranked as a 5 man pre.  We'd discuss crap before and after the game at least to some degree. 

on Apr 18, 2012

I think i found my second champion, and you all will FEAR him!!!!!!

on Apr 18, 2012

Man, 3 20 minute surrender losses where I had no chance in hell in a row.  First game had 0/6/0 super aggressive Leona.  We could have still won, but she rage quit at about 18 minutes because we didnt "support her enough" when she did stupid things.  

Then I just had a dysfunctional team where I started like 0/2/5 as support again, but our team was losing like 5-25, so we just surrendered.  I manage to keep bot close, but top, mid and jungle lost badly again.

Then I got stuck playing support.  And my partner died twice before he was level 2, and three times before he was level 3.  I managed to get us to not lose the lane too badly after that, but top and mid fed (net 0/11/0 I believe).  So another 20 minute surrender.

I broke the streak by basically carrying with Amumu, but ugh.

on Apr 18, 2012

Krazikarl
I broke the streak by basically carrying with Amumu, but ugh.

yeah - the joys of negative nights through no fault of your own.  Me winning 2/3 games in ranked was ok.  You winning 1/4... ffs. 

on Apr 18, 2012

balls...

on Apr 18, 2012

yaha - also this.  The last 8 seconds are what make it worth watching for the super excited Japanese guy. AWESOME

on Apr 18, 2012

the only way to win at league of legends is buy at least 6 teemo skins. gg

on Apr 19, 2012

side note - their patch seems to have destroyed pvp.net

on Apr 19, 2012

Indeed...

 

I made the mistake of playing a ranked game.  After two queue dodges, I was left in our silent chatroom filled with only the people dumb enough to be playing anyway.  They sucked.

on Apr 19, 2012

I love, love, love that crazy Japanese guy screaming Pentakill.  Thinking I might need to make a ringer out of it or something.  Cracks me up every time.  Had time for like 1 game yesterday and ended up with a vayne that quit after 2 minutes or so with me as a support (not ranked).  Was a real treat.  Sadly, the other team was rubbish, so my team wanted to play it out and refused to surrender a bit.  At the 30 min marker, I told them I didn't have time for an hour long 4v5 (it would have been longer than that even) and told them I'd play as long as a I could.  Then, after 1 final push, they agreed to surrender.  So, annoying that vayne screwed us; annoying that my teammates wouldn't quit; nice that they got on board after I made it clear that I couldn't keep playing for much longer. 

edit - I'll be on tonight, I'm sure, and up for some ranked or w/e. 

re: janna -  a few things come to mind - 1 - I think I'm going to turn off that setting that lets me hold down a smart cast spell to see the range for it.  Seems to make it difficult to always quickly start and launch janna's whirlwind.  2 - janna actually took a pretty big nerf imo.  1st, the range she can push back enemies with her ult was reduced (eg its easier to catch back up to the team if janna uses her ult defensively.  2nd, its less effective when you immediately cast and launch the whirlwind due to a lower knock up value of 80 (from 100).  This means any quick cast is less effective for setting up kills or generating saves.  They "buffed" that by making it cause higher knock ups as you let the whirlwind charge (which is nice for well timed jungle ganks, etc), but that also reduces some utility.  The change is really a nerf imo, as it cuts down on her utility and ability to save a little bit.  It's nothing substantial, I'd say it decreases your ability to save a teammate some. 

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