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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on May 01, 2012

eh... played ww after nerf.. it's honestly fine.  Early levels I noticed zero difference (understandable since it's only a 1-2% nerf in beginning ranks).  It has zero affect in lane.  Late game I noticed it slightly.. but was still able to do my job.  All it really meant was that instead of tanking 3 ppl for forever in a team fight and still living, I died just before finishing off the last person.  He's still a very common ban as he was only up for 1 out of 5 games I played today.  Note: 1800's.. idk how common he's banned at lower elo's.

on May 01, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun
The real reason why people don't like playing Xerath is because he requires no real skill to play.

There's only ONE way to play him, rather like Yorick...

 

Define skill? Ive seen alot crappy Xerath players. 

 

And define ONLY one way to play him? He is an AP caster, they are all kinda one sided.

 

Though I am tempted to try a Xerath Bot support role. Im sure it totaly sucky but why play a game to win all the time

on May 02, 2012

Karl ww though - you pretty much are beating up his baby if you nerf ww. 

on May 02, 2012

Anyone else experience the forum behaving like utter rot last night?  It was really slow for me, and in some instances, not even connecting. 

Some thoughts about "featured matches."  I'm glad they decided to start doing this.  I'm not really sure what the threshold is to be a feature match.  So far, I've seen exactly one good featured match pop out.  All of the others had some pretty ify (read - seemingly untalented) folks playing in them.  I'm assuming they are higher elo, but it certainly didn't look that way.  Did they post the criteria for being a featured match?  Obviously, it would be cool to know if you are in a featured match by some sort of indicator, but I'm pretty sure they have nothing like that.

re: the patch - I'm really glad they decided to go live this week and then hold off on varus for another week or so.  They really gave us an amazing feature.  Now, the only real reason to steam would be so folks could listen in on your jibba jabba or if you are providing commentary. 

 

on May 02, 2012

lol I ww too, 4th most played champ np (just surpassed by vlad, my new love who is less banned).

As for the featured games, there are some very high elo games that are in there, but most of them are ~1800-1900 games.  I've been recognizing a lot of the people I've played with lately in the featured games.  Pretty sure the way it works is that the highest elo games are the farthest left bubble.

 Edit:  Yaaaa just played ww again.  My thoughts:  Other game was against vlad, where ww normally has a pretty rough time lvl 1-6, but destroys vlad at 6.  It was a lane I was supposed to win, and I did.  This last game the other team picked Kayle to counter me.  Q still sustained me just fine in lane, and still won at 6.  Went 4/0/3 by 12 minutes.. game ended @ 20 because Kayle decided to afk @ fountain (something about ww op idk).  Srsly.. if you were banning / playing him before.. continue banning / playing him.

on May 02, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun

Quoting -Ue_Carbon, reply 726
Quoting OMG_blackmage, reply 724Got Xerath today....omg people are slow for not playing him, he's knocked fiddles out of second place....

 

CASS AND XERATH FTW

 

Lighting Bolt!

 

Lighting Bolt!!

 

Lighting Bolt!!!






The real reason why people don't like playing Xerath is because he requires no real skill to play.


 

I've heard this bs with about every single mage character. Cass requires no skill to play, karthus requires no skill to play, anivia, such and such and such and such. I know thats bs and for the simple fact I play him a lot and he requires more skill that what he's given credit for. 

A bad xerath will feed all game, a good one will reck the opposing teams, theirs no in between with xerath which is why I feel he isnt played much. Ontop of that each champion requires a different set of skills and xerath is one of the champions where positioning is crucial to success and survival. unlike lets say ahri where she has a damn accident forgiveness ult which can free her. So when I hear someone say a champ requires no skill I already call bs on them.

on May 02, 2012

I actually bought vlad recently, took a minute for me to get use to the no mana thing. I actually can semi tank a lane pretty good, wrecked both a nocture and a alister one game lol...Hey has thee worst voice I've heard so far in the game.

on May 02, 2012

-Ue_Carbon

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun, reply 732The real reason why people don't like playing Xerath is because he requires no real skill to play.

There's only ONE way to play him, rather like Yorick...

 

Define skill? Ive seen alot crappy Xerath players. 

 

And define ONLY one way to play him? He is an AP caster, they are all kinda one sided.

 

Though I am tempted to try a Xerath Bot support role. Im sure it totaly sucky but why play a game to win all the time

oops

I meant to say

"he requires less skill than other AP Casters"

let's see

W

E

Q

R
R
R

he's just not a very active mid champ

he sits still and farms/harasses

whereas there are other mids who can roam and who have a presence in the other lanes during early/mid game, whereas Xerath is more of a late-game beast whose job it is to shut down his laning partner

 

I didn't say he was bad

but he's rather boring to play

ONE WAY TO PLAY XERATH:

max Q then E after getting one point in W.

maxing E first is somewhat silly

maxing W first is also VERY silly

 

whereas someone like Viktor

you can max Q first for a mobile champ

or E first for a pusher champ

and you get to decide upon getting W early on if you are being pressured

Viktor can also roam easily

and he's not enormously farm dependent like Xerath...

OMG_blackmage



I've heard this bs with about every single mage character. Cass requires no skill to play, karthus requires no skill to play, anivia, such and such and such and such. I know thats bs and for the simple fact I play him a lot and he requires more skill that what he's given credit for. 

A bad xerath will feed all game, a good one will reck the opposing teams, theirs no in between with xerath which is why I feel he isnt played much. Ontop of that each champion requires a different set of skills and xerath is one of the champions where positioning is crucial to success and survival. unlike lets say ahri where she has a damn accident forgiveness ult which can free her. So when I hear someone say a champ requires no skill I already call bs on them.

I agree

and I corrected myself

all champs require some amount of skill

I play AP mids (and Talon) all the time and I enjoy the elegant dance that each game has: Push in, farm, harass, walk out, avoid their harass, push in, repeat, and watch the other lanes for chances to score a quick kill.

but Xerath does truly require less skill than the other champs

and his kit is kinda boring compared to the rest for the reasons stated above...

this is my opinion

so

if you don't like it

I guess you don't like it

OMG_blackmage
I actually bought vlad recently, took a minute for me to get use to the no mana thing. I actually can semi tank a lane pretty good, wrecked both a nocture and a alister one game lol...Hey has thee worst voice I've heard so far in the game.

Vlad is fun.

his sustain is what makes him a rather flexible champ in terms of being able to take mid or solotop...

 

 

on May 03, 2012

OK - I've put some thought into this and I want to form a competitive team.  I'm thinking we will play a minimum of once every 1 week.  Everyone that replies in this thread has a good idea of when I'm on. 

Let me be clear - I don't expect us to be awesome out of the gates.  What I want is folks that feel like they could dedicate 1 game per week between 6PM-midnight EST to let me know. And those folks should be dedicated (eg non-casual players).  If I think you are utter rot, we will talk about it. 

I will function as manager simply for organizational matters (eg getting us all together at the same time).  We can elect a captain that might call out strategies during a game, etc.  I will agree here and now to play whatever role is deemed best for the team.  Don't care if I'm support, carry, w/e.  I'm totally up for discussing this and that.  To clarify - as manager, all I will do is get us on the same page for when we will play. 

So, if you want to form a premade. here's your chance.  The current official roster is pacov - team manager.  And pacov - any role on the team as discussed/needed.  Team name undecided. 

If you are interested, I'd prefer it if you pm me.  If you have general questions, reply here. 

on May 03, 2012

I'd play organized games, but I dont know how many people we are going to get.  One of the keys to having a competitive team is to get better by playing against better competition on a consistent basis.  It seems like many of the people on these forums are more into trying new ideas out in normals than really trying to do the whole competitive thing.

on May 03, 2012

I'm interested

but time is an issue currently

and I'm probably not good enough anyways...

If you guys are still doing the team in a couple of months, I'll be able to commit to play whenever you want me to do so.

Currently my role preference looks like this:

Mid>Support>Solotop>Ranged AD>Jungling

 

oh yeah

I forgot to mention:

had a 4 loss ranked losing spree yesterday

and 2 of the games were actually my fault

not sure what was going on there

I was playing

and then I realized that in spite of having 60 cs more than anyone on my team

I was behind in kills and in cs to the enemy AD Ranged and the fact that I got caught out twice in a row

failure on my part

on May 03, 2012

I'm down for the team. I have my headset all set up so I can better coordinate with people now. I'm probably most experienced bot, but I have a passable Maokai jungle and assuming I'm not counterpicked, I can do well top. AD carry is probably my preferred role right now, although I've played plenty of support. I've been working on Ziggs mid as well, but I would prefer more practice on that.

I'm always up for trying to improve and am open to suggestions.

on May 03, 2012

so a few games ago i got my first bit of karthus hatred. Kept being called a fag for using karthus. Its amazing how people act...what was even more amazing was in one game (not the same game.) A teammate told me they were surprised to see a karthus that didn't suck and didn't need to be baby sat by other characters I think I strengthened that shock when a layed down that triple kill. I swear one of these days I will get a penta kill with karthus ult!!!!

on May 03, 2012

OK - I've put some thought into this and I want to form a competitive team.  I'm thinking we will play a minimum of once every 1 week.  Everyone that replies in this thread has a good idea of when I'm on. 
 

Sorry I'm out, just like I was in demi I have no will to try and do "ranked" games so good luck to you all.

on May 03, 2012

So, we officially have pacov, karl, and aragorn - need 2 more and we can get something going. 

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