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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Aug 01, 2012

@Shiro (Vlad? Jack?)  Yeah, I switched my name with my smurf account because the ü in Thündercles was kind of a pain and I started liking Dynamo Sexy better.  But mostly I switched because I found out that thundercles is the German word for testicles and was disturbed.

Re: Ranked - Congratulations to Vlad and Pacov, you guys are moving up quick!  Us not so much, but hopefully things will go a little better now that we're playing better early game combinations of support/adc.  We've found out the hard way that the whole put everything on Kog's shoulders late game doesn't work that great at our elo level since most of our allies so far seem to think its our squishy ADC's job to wade through the fight and focus a particular opponent.  People who seem competent in the laning stage all of a sudden seem to be clueless to the mid/late game strategy so it seems best to try and come out with a great start to keep morale up and to try and win things early.

Re: ARAM - Put me in the burnt out category.  5v5 would be great but I realize the logistics of getting that together are challenging.  Put me in the category of someone who won't have hurt feelings if we don't end up having enough people and have to leave the lobby and go about my day.

on Aug 01, 2012

That is exactly the reason I usually go Graves/Ezreal. I do not trust anyone other than pacov to peel the enemies off of me in soloq so I feel the need to take an AD carry who can survive by themselves with blinks and dashes.

Lane dominance is the reason I choose Varus/Ezreal as well. Most people have a very pessimistic view on ranked so if they see the enemy bot lane 5/0 they will be much more likely to surrender. Getting fed early also allows you to take dragon and snowball the game for your other lanes.

We have been pretty lucky so far. Most of our lanes are actually competent. I can only think of 2 of our 9 games in which it was really close (we even almost lost with a 15k gold lead...).

The last thing I have to say is for some reason allies will try to drag the game out as long as they can. This is actually not that bad since you get to play the AD carry and scale harder than anyone! I still like to end the game early though because just one ace can screw your team over after 40 min.

Edit: As for the Kog'Maw thing. Kog is probably the best AD carry late game (rivaled only by Vayne), but in soloq I would not trust anyone but your duoq partner to peel the enemy off you. Corki/Ezreal/Graves are the 3 best choices because of this reason (though I have a soft spot for Varus and will still pick him). Kog'Maw and Ashe are probably the worst choices imo. The best support choices are by far Taric(personal favorite), Janna, and Alistar. Soraka is just to easy to kill in lane that I really don't like her anymore.

on Aug 01, 2012

Any vote for what night we designate as aram, etc  night?  Tues/thurs? 

What do you guys think about me doing summoner's rift games as a custom where we pick up folks if we have > 6?  I've never done one of these, so I'm not sure if folks join that sort of thing, etc.

 

Maybe Tuesday = aram, etc night?

I'm assuming you mean randoms joining to make 5v5? I'm open to this if we aren't able to get 10.

on Aug 01, 2012

Some great insight there, thanks!

I'm working on my Sona right now because we think she'd be a good early game pairing with Varus now and because of her ult is perhaps a nice late game compliment to Kog when we get to a point where we feel more confident in our teammates.  If we get to a point I mean.  Solo Queue... maybe only Alistar is the only one I can play who can help keep Kog safe because I really suck with Janna for some reason.

on Aug 01, 2012

If you want to pick Sona then you have to make sure Blitz is banned. Sona vs Blitz and you are going to have a bad time lol.

on Aug 01, 2012

yeah - really agree re: having blitz banned if you want to pull out sona.  It can work.. but pain is quite probable. 

vlad and i are about to do a few ranked in the lower/mid 1500 elo.  If all goes well we'll have vlad breaking 1600 in a few games.

on Aug 01, 2012

played 2 more ranked games and have 2 more wins in the high 1560s range.  Vlad is now 1618 and I am 1517.  Our last game was rough because of 2 of our teammates.  We had literally my favorite teammate ever as a top lane.  Came down and started ganking for us after our jungler refused.  Easily turned the game around for us.

on Aug 01, 2012

will likely have some new vids in the next few days... we shall see.  got some good clips from tonight methinks.

edit - i think i figured out the formula re: games at any rate.  Even those of us that get sick of aram, LIKE to play it after we've done some more seriously rift games.  I think tonight might be a decent template (for me anyway).  I played 2 ranked with jack (my goal is 2 per day).  Then I think we had like a 5 man summoner's rift game.  Then we played a few in house rift games where we picked up as needed.  After we played those in house games, I was looking forward to just pissing around in ARAM and that seemed to be the consensus at the time.  So, mayhaps we'll try things like that again. 

on Aug 02, 2012

Sounds good if you can lower yourself to play with us non-1500, 1600 ELO people

on Aug 02, 2012

oh, if we hit 1900, we'll be snubbing all of you to play with our pro friends.  heh.  Hoping the vids I took last night come up with some nice content.  More than a few funny moments. 

on Aug 02, 2012

Will check out the vids for sure.

Here's a great LOL thread on kill lane partners: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2295597

Actually really well done and some sound really fun! I've been against a Nautilus, Blitzcrank bot before...It was truly brutal.

on Aug 02, 2012

Thanks for that link.  Really fun ideas.  We'll have to try some of those soon.

 

edit

afk prevention change is live apparently.  Pretty sure you have to click a check box to indicate you are there before you hit the lobby.

 

 http://imgur.com/YK9T3

on Aug 02, 2012

I am willing to try those combos with someone if they so desire... muahahahaha...

 

The strongest one IMO is the Zilean Yorick lane...

You can bomb ghouls, they towerdive all by themselves, and suicide bomb making it impossible to even get experience from the lane...

on Aug 02, 2012

Just a thought on the game nights:  I'd be personally more likely to be available for them if I knew it wasn't going to be all ARAM all the time.  If there's more people who feel like I do, I think that in house 5v5s might be easier to achieve than we think?  I mean say we get 8 people, 5 could end up playing random people while the other 3 queue up and take 2 random teammates.  Playing with 2 other people you know on vent is better than just playing by yourself right?

 

on Aug 02, 2012

Thundercles
I'd be personally more likely to be available for them if I knew it wasn't going to be all ARAM all the time.

we won't be having all ARAM nights going forward.  We will pretty much always start with rift games, etc.

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