I wouldn't expect that fifth buff to come into play very often.  If you snag five in a row you should have the game won anyway.  It seems pretty in line with what you can get for the gold, otherwise.  That fifth buff will probably only come into play for breaking a stalemate.  First fully itemized team to hit 5 and successfully Baron should have an overwhelming advantage over their fully itemized opponents, with far more than a legendary item's worth in bonus stats.

hedgie hit plat again last night. Grats hedgie!

karls - come back to us. 

i think you misunderstand the purpose of this thread

So I tried a couple unconventional supports yesterday for fun - did swain and GP.  Swain's E and W both proc all stacks of spell thief due to Dot, so poke dmg is decent. That said, gimmick is gimmick. With gp I was able to "help" by "assisting" with my ult occasionally ksing. 

Anyone have thoughts on alternative supports to give a go?  Trying to see if there is something new to try out or fun. 

Kayle is good with a team that understands the ult.  Xin, Lee and Darius can be good kill lane supports, a Garen gave me trouble once or twice too.  Xerath and Brand can be extremely irritating, I've seen a Xerath support dominate the game.

GP is actually completely legit in my opinion.  Situational sure, but as long as you build stuff  with at least some utility like Iceborn and use your ult intelligently to help your team, he's solid IMO.

There's a lot of closet legit Supports out there that could be the new Bot Lane Shaco.  Problem is, I think you'd need to play a lot of games to figure them out and I don't think you have the dedication/love for any one champion to do it.   You like trying new things and theory crafting, but there seems to be a limit that it holds your attention.  If Support Sejuani is a secretly OP amazing thing, the Koreans would have told us already.  If Support Sejuani is something that can be really good and fun but only after playing a hundred games on her to figure it out, I don't see you as the man who loves playing Sejuani enough to do that.

As far as trying something new out for fun, you don't seem like the type of person who has fun while losing which is what's going to happen before you learn how to play something new.

Plus it's not easy finding an ADC to put up with alternative Support choices sometimes.   You get kinda nuts when I go Thresh bot lane with you, and Thresh is as meta as it gets.  I don't even steal your kills, just screw up your CSing sometimes..  I don't even know how ballistic you'd get if someone stole your kills as AP Shaco Support.  So with guys like you out there, you're probably only going to be able to experiment on Team Builder, since you're eventually going to run out of MadCasters that you haven't gotten upset at for their champ selection and Riot has seen fit to make Normal Draft Mode into a version of Prisoner's Island.

Edit: But to actually answer your question?  Galio.  Tanky, good CC, okay support utility, could go Blue Knife or Relic Shield since he's melee.

Really dug what I saw of worlds this morning.  Watched the opening and game 1.  Uncle shouty korean hype guy seemed to have  fun.  Without going into any spoilers atm, I am wondering if a particular team threw 1 game just to give the audience more of a show.  Not sure sure, but it looks like that to me based on team selection.  Going to watch some VODs later.

I was super impressed with how methodically vision control was handled by SSW in game 1 though.  Just completely ridiculous - roaming with support and jungle and gaining complete vision control of south side jungle then  diving mid easily with full knowledge.  Really impressive. 

i know you had a shitty day, pacov, and there's no doubt going to be a post so i'm gonna preface it here:

i wasn't really trying to "run my mouth" and trash talk you there at that last game while you were stepping away. i know that you had had a few shitty games, and you had said the game before that you even wanted to "relax" in a Solo Lane. And that game wasn't particularily relaxing for you. With the picks, you were really worried about leaving both Lucian/Tristana and since you're the only one who really plays them (and is good at them), having you picking them was probably the best for us, composition wise.

i recognized that since you were already on tilt that trying to rotate you out of ADC was maybe going to lessen the chances of us winning, but it would probably lessen the chance of people fighting. So that was my intention, not trying to blacken your name or try to trash talk you. i'm sorry if you felt otherwise, and i'm sympathetic to you having a shitty set of personal games, even if some of them turned out to be victories (eg, the Jayce game)./

aw - no worries hedgie.  No fu you post was planned for you.    I played like poo town yesterday.  Pretty consistently weak play outside of 1 game where we stomped.  I've pretty much lumped that blujay fellow in with the sy type now though.  Don't think I'll be inviting him in the future even though I made a spot for him previously.  Got under my skin a bit and we don't really have enough history for me to value playing with him in any way, so that's that as far as I'm concerned.  Really dislike when folks see you are clearly on tilt and egg you on further.

Anyway, here's hoping I play better the next time we get together because I certainly was a bit off.  Was nice to meet your pal btw thunder.  Seemed like a nice fella. 

So, its been enough time - any thoughts on worlds?  I think it was a really well organized.  I'm bummed there was no cool reveal for LoL though - seemed like they'd show us something.  The 2 teams in world was a bit a of a let down in my mind.  I'd have much rather seen... well.... most other teams face off against SSW. 

I was reading that there will be a 12 hour outage for LoL in the near future on NA (this week or next week I think).  Signs point to NA getting updated hardware, so hopefully we'll see some improvements there.  From what I read, EU had the same length of an outage when they got updated hardware that helped out a bunch.

Re: Kupopuffs

Yeah, I like him.  Nice guy, but goddamn there are too many Support mains running around.  He's actually quite decent considering his time playing, but he's still in that phase of "Look at my new Leona rune page!"  And I go "Uh... yeah.  Lots of flat AP eh?  Hmmmm..."

Re: Blujay

People who haven't played with you for years might now be able to pick up on the signs that it's not a good time to roust you.  The game he was talking about teaching you how to Jinx in was one where we were winning decisively.  Hedgie and I know that it's best not to tease you (or anyone) when you're dealing with getting camped, but I'm sure there are a few more people out there who aren't careful about what they say during a game where their team overall is doing very well.

Re: I'm Not Karl You're The One That's Karl You're Driving Me Karl!

I'm not a huge fan of the invade.  Works good in professional games, works good against disorganized Silvers/Golds.  Against decent players who know to ward and harass?  Meh.  I'm fine with my safe, easy, simple style of Jungling J4 and confident in it.  And since my usual style involves grabbing two buffs and beating the shit out of the enemy Top laner, I think you would have liked the results better.

I'm not a Jungle specialist like Karl, but that's no reason to declare yourself the only one capable of playing Jungle on our team.  Felt like it gimped our role choices for the games after.

ah - if I said anything along those lines, I think it was tilty mcgee.  Sorry!  I feel like you jungle well.  I also have no idea how bainick ended up supporting in the last game when I thought he said he wanted to jungle.  re: dr jay - meh.  guy's rubbed me the wrong way a few times now.  It's not just last night, its generally joining games demanding specific roles, deciding to play goofy crap as it suits him.  Pretty much all of my experiences w/ him have been along those lines, so oh well.  That's that. 

Oh - and it looks like karl managed to grind back up to plat yesterday.  Grats! 

No offense taken.

He didn't want to jungle, he was willing to jungle because he was told no one else on the team knew how.

He's a really good Support player who enjoys the role and tries to play it every chance he gets, so if you were going to play ADC in a frustrated mood we wanted him bot lane with you.  I ended up playing a jungler I've never played in a bot game because we switched him up thinking Bryff could take Vi top again.  That didn't happen so I was dying at my red right when Bainick was asking for help bot lane.  

We've all had frustrating nights that we'd like to end on a win.  If that happens, I suggest we all take a moment before queuing up again and figure out our best possible tryhard roles and champs.

So i recently moved back into my folks' house so I can attend college in the spring... I'm having a MAJOR issues with my setup... big reason I've been so mia recently... i'm trying to figure it out though... i can't really play 'seriously' at the moment with my current setup... so i'll just be playing silly games until i get it figure out.

Love you bunches,

Swan

Don't forget to play the occasional ranked game to prevent the demotion!