^The reason why we couldn't level was because I got priests instead of currency, which would not be a big deal if we held on to the mid flag but we didn't for some reason. The only flag that was being held was the only one I was standing on.

But like said, if you're gonna waste a tp to port to the other side, then you might as well knock that tower down by the ports. A Rook and an Occulus would take it down in 2 seconds. If we're not gonna get any kills, might as well get their towers down to apply some pressure.

You shouldn't just stand in the same spot as a rook, some pressure needs to be applied so that the other guys can port in and you guys can get the flags back. The last game we lost because I was forced to stick to one side of the map without moving, because the other teammates believed that was their #1 priority. If that's what they think, then that's what I'll follow. I don't like to argue ingame but what essentially ended up happening was that the other side got ripped apart while we also lost in war score.

You got priests instead of currency the one game with rawr before. Also. You know it's bad to get priests at WS3 correct? I mean, I guess it's nice as Rook to get priest support but it's not worth giving them tons of levels. Heaven's Wrath DA is case number one.

We didn't hold flags because I was perpetually running between you and the shop to buy more ports and they were faster than us so they could cap flags and then go to you and force us to port faster than we could do the opposite. Remember the DA had Heaven's Wrath which ENCOURAGES forcing all three of us into one lane since they win the XP war (which they clearly did). They also used a lot of locks which forced me to purchase locks as well, further draining my income.

I agree with not just standing next to a Rook, waiting for nothing to happen. If Rook has a buddy, they should run towards the portals. Otherwise, he holds that flag and advances when it's safe (eg, moving farm up slowly rather than walking out of it to place one tower 20 yards away).This is, again, especially true against a team that is built to kill you over and over and over again. You died twice early game right? The answer is yes. Luckily I had 1 kill and 3 assists at that point so it wasn't a huge deal.

I'm not frustrated by the fact that you were targeted and therefore died. I'm saying that you would obstinately go way out of position with the INTENTION of making us port. You even said yourself that was what you were trying to do. Multiple times, I was doing things like farming and capping flags and porting severely limits how often I can do that.

Also, note that I wasn't just porting. I was frequently porting AND sigiling. I don't like to spam sigils, but when there is an enemy DA on the other team and a TB you sorta have to the second you drop below 2k, which is easy to do when you're using CoN and not Blood and you're burning money on ports the entire game (and Currency). When you're oom and on a sigil, it's somewhat difficult to push towers since you can't run from a Fire Aura'd DA.

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Also, you died while arguing with McShane over text when he was idling in the vent with us. If you don't like to argue in game, at least don't argue with your OPPONENTS.

Democracy in action...

I wonder why i'm still not in T1 ...

Oh well, i guess it takes either a GM clan membership or being one of Pacov's close friends to get your ass into T1...

As if i cared...

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I told you to go mana after i got no response from OC to go back with you. so you guys can draw attention on one side. OC is the one who did his own thing, I wanted you to follow him because he obviously didn't know what we were saying.

on the currency, if you noticed when checking my gold, that i had a scaled helm and battlecrown in my inventory. i sell the scaled helm and get currency when i have enough. which was apparently 60 seconds too late for you. sorry you missed out on 250 gold,

and then thats when i became useless. because you became useless. you both went different ways and couldn't do anything while i sat in the middle with full mana, snipes every 10 seconds and no targets. and instead of going with OC who was at mana, you sat behind the HP tower complaining about how you wish you had your 1800 gold back and that we need flags. and locks. and repeating it. instead of doing something. it was obvious our teammate didnt understand.

my look on it was it was better to have mana than no flags at all. The two of you were the best  pair for holding a lane.  at that point you would draw 2 of them over to mana and i could rotate hp and xp with reg. so what if they had hp flag. if you have mana flag, you pretty much get one more skill out of your mana bar. one more than they have. the damage you do with that should nullify the extra hp they have. which would only be 400-700 (1 pent) hp anyway. not to mention two people protecting our gold flag. so tell me why it was such a bad idea again?

I was the one trying to get the team in a rhythm, while you were bringing us down. with your complaining. It only got bad when i had enough of your whining when i was trying to help out, and for some reason, your the tier 1 player. but it was like talking to a wall.

so yea, complain about how we are 200 warscore behind and short 300 gold. bring the game to a stop with it, because in your world pacov, that is not worth playing. our team mate wasnt the best, but he was good enough, but he needed you. you guys were supposed to be like Riggs and Murdock. but he wouldnt know what the hell that was so it was up to you to go to him. but you did nothing but complain instead. The game was still even salvagable at that point. but i had enough of you doing nothing and yeah, complained to you that you were useless, arrogant, and a bad team player, I'm sure you are a good player, but that was complete lack of skill.

I had nothing to complain about until you started up with how you had to buy currency. If i had known you were gonna spy on my gold than i would have sold my scaled helm when i bought the battle crown, so you could be at ease. and your only reason for using that program is so you can jump on people that don't purchase to your liking. same goes for alot of people that use it.... this invisible cloud that now floats around lag wars , pretty much started when all this tournament garbage came up, which i had ZERO interest in. and people were so surprised i didn't join.  and its because people started taking every single detail way too seriously.

Yeah I realized I was mixing up the two games until I was driving home. I said I mistakenly got currency, because as a Rook I never get currency, I get priests and I instinctively clicked on priests instead of currency. I also don't get priests that early unless it's one of those exceptions.

I did die twice early game but that still didn't prevent me from getting my full set of gears and taking any of them on 1 on 1. You can still win with a few early deaths, especially as a rook.

Occulus is an expensive Demigod, I do understand that. However, the only thing that had going for us was our ability to push towers, particularly with that erebus being able to portal sneak. If we can't even do that then you might as well just give up and cry because they obviously had a lot more burst damage.

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Also, that argument was very important. I needed to let Shane know that what he was complaining about with my rook that game was the exact same complaint I had about Obscenitor's rook - he needs to make that connection so he remembers how foolish he was back then when he started crying about him everyday.

PS. I hope you're not replying to our convo Xynth, cause we're talking about a different match where you weren't involved.

no - its doesn't.  I can see why you'd say that, though. 

Xynth - perhaps we can just leave it at this?  We played a game together that we could not win.  The oc on our team was certainly not anywhere being on the same page and his build was extremely squishy.  You and I still appear to have different strategies in DG.  I think mine are better than yours, and vice versa. 

Just refer to my previous statement.  And for the last time.  In that game, the one you played in, my harshest criticism was that we should get any flag and lock it.  I said it twice on different occasions (to be specific once at 5 minutes and again at like 8 minutes).  In your head, that is complaining the whole time.  On planet earth, that is EXACTLY what happened.  Followed by your brain exploding and you snapping.  Enough is enough after all.  I don't really consider your other criticism valid or accurate.  I don't believe there is any reasoning with you and I'd rather not say anything offensive to keep this pointless conversation going.  You think you are right... blahblahblah.  Kuddos.

I'm not angry about getting Currency either. After all, I did get several kills and assists and since you were dying you clearly needed to armor up. 

The only thing I'm "upset" about is how you would walk up to their gold flags (against a speed stacking team) drop a tower, and expect us to port every time to continually save your ass. Especially when they have a demigod with Heaven's Wrath so they can afford to pile up on one flag and speed means they can out-cap us. 

So basically DA was too good and ninki was a bum Rook?  I've been trying to tell him this for months now.

yes, Shane, no one can contain your awesomeness. 

In defense of ninki though, his deaths were early and then you became a very easy target hedgie.  However, priests before currency is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, he always buys them too early.  He did it at warscore 3 vs a TB, Occulus and Rook recently, completely screwing us over. 

Thank you! Ninki needed to hear that from a third party, he just won't admit it himself. 

I only died end-game once the burst of everyone was insane :-/ I had 4 deaths (including the death where the winners do 2000 damage a hit), and of the 3 that "count" 2 were in the last 3-5 minutes of the game against a fed DA + Erebus gank-team where the DA was at/almost level 15. 

I thought you had 6, or maybe that was Obi, I remember telling Orcun to target the Occulus though because you barely got away a few times early when I was the only one after you, and then we started killing you later on. 

Clearly hedgie is being sarcastic.

Also, if you didn't want to port in and save me, then it's fine you don't have to. I am a big boy I can handle myself.

Also I've already repeated myself 2897398127312 times and I'm not repeating it again. I instinctively got priests intead of currency, and also I do not get priests early all the time. People have this crazy idea that early priests destroys their entire game when really infact if you just play as good as me then it doesn't matter when you do anything, you'll just win all the time.

ok, so at what point did we stop being players of the same game and become a dysfunctional family?  Seriously? These forums aren't an episode of the Maury Povich show, last I checked....

Everyone in the last three pages knows how to play, right?  Or did some of us magically forget everything and need a clear page-long description of our flaws?  ^^

Solid players make stupid mistakes, it happens, and the next game you play with them won't be better if you call them out on it in negative ways. 

If you really want to rehash who should have done what in a particular game make a seperate post which breaks down in detail commentary of a given game with replays, and invites comments from the other players. 

That way you get, you know, constructive feedback, and those of us who weren't in the effing game can actually participate in the convo.  Or not..