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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Oct 22, 2012

Now that I'm not trying to type on my ipad... I reported ms Sona.  Anyway, yeah, it was a little harsh of me to do in hindsight, but not that much imo.  Sure,  she was 4/11/14 as support and choose to build nonsupport items outside of shuelias... and yes she made her own call at a critical moment to choose to abort an engage on baron that would pretty much guaranteed a loss (even without peter running in like a madman).

At that particular moment in the game, I'm 100% sure that our best case scenario would be to group as 5 and contest baron.  If we all just go and defend, then they appear with baron buff and we'd be unable to stop them from taking the last inhib and they could just press the base pretty easily.  If we go at baron, well, odds aren't incredibly good that we could pull off a steal or wipe the enemy team, but better odds than a sure fire loss with a base defense.  But, our support made the decision on her own to go to base while we grouped near baron.  I disagreed with that decision.  Anyway, all of that said, to me that sounds like an ok reason for reporting someone for assisting the enemy team.  BUT - frankly, there were pretty low odds we'd have won that game even if she showed up at baron.  And reporting someone for moving you to a 0% chance of winning when we were already at 10% chance to win was probably a little harsh. 

 

on Oct 22, 2012

Hey, I've had people on my team who would ditch the group during crucial late game moments to chase red dots, kill wolves, etc.  I get how that can be extremely frustrating and I also understand how everyone has to be on board with the plan... assuming there is a plan and everyone knows what it is... 

if memory serves Sona spawned and ran into some supers knocking on the nexus turrets and simply didn't continue on from there when you pinged Baron.  Its not like she ditched you guys to run back to base or something... I'm assuming she thought she'd slow the supers down since she might not have gotten there in time while Jayce and Corki harassed the enemy around Baron and Riven would flash over for the steal attempt... while Malazahar didn't commit suicide. 

Either choice was a lost cause IMO and any chance you guys had was hinging on the other team all of a sudden becoming completely incompetent/overconfident... which would have worked for both the Baron Contest or the Nexus Defense option.  Your guys decisions aren't always as obvious a choice as you seem to think they are, so you might want to work on the ol' communication skills when there's two completely different strategies for your team to go with.

I'm sure the rest of Sona's game was atrocious... but what do you expect?  Pete makes for extremely entertaining Twitch TV... lord knows I've enjoyed spectating your guys games with him.  The thing is, you guys are going to have to be prepared for him to bring in teammates from his "I don't take blue." normal elo rating right?  There are going to be times these randoms are going to be completely out of their comfort zone playing against people with you and Karl's normal (with extra thrown in for the premade bonus) elo I'd think.

I guess its kind of a personal thing of mine where I don't like the idea of people doing the best they can getting reported for "Griefing" if for no other reason that I'd like the Tribunal to not be overloaded with bunk cases so that you don't have to sift through for the actual toxic players.

 

on Oct 22, 2012

Thundercles
if memory serves Sona spawned and ran into some supers knocking on the nexus turrets and simply didn't continue on from there when you pinged Baron.

She respawned, started heading towards where we were grouped and then decided to defend base instead of grouping. 

Thundercles
I guess its kind of a personal thing of mine where I don't like the idea of people doing the best they can getting reported for "Griefing" if for no other reason that I'd like the Tribunal to not be overloaded with bunk cases so that you don't have to sift through for the actual toxic players.

I don't report folks that are clearly doing the best they can.  I get your point, of course, but that's not to say that this isn't typical behavior for this player.  If its a trend, then there will be a tribunal case with this person indicating that.  Then this person will eventually get a short time ban that includes all of the reasons they were reported.  That will help the player in the end.  Forgetting all stats, how she did all game etc, the only thing I reported her for was refusing to group at a critical time.  Her ult was up, we were all in the area, etc. 

 

on Oct 22, 2012

Thundercles
Either choice was a lost cause IMO and any chance you guys had was hinging on the other team all of a sudden becoming completely incompetent/overconfident... which would have worked for both the Baron Contest or the Nexus Defense option.  Your guys decisions aren't always as obvious a choice as you seem to think they are, so you might want to work on the ol' communication skills when there's two completely different strategies for your team to go with.

It wasn't about choosing the "correct" strategy.  In fact, there was no reasonable choice for Sona in that situation.  The ONLY choice late game is to be with your team there.  You cannot choose to do your own thing in that situation, especially as a support.

I actually disagree slightly with Pacov's analysis and think that defending Nexus had more merit than he thought.  But I also acknowledge that a choice had to be made one way or the other, and since the team (sans Sona) had obviously made a choice, I was ready to back that choice up.

We repeatedly pinged the baron, so Sona should have known what was up.  There was no time to type an essay into chat explaining why teamwork was the correct choice - they could probably clear baron in less than 10 seconds at that point in the game. 

on Oct 22, 2012

Note that even "with" Sona defending the base for a good 30 seconds (and Corki briefly going over there and using his buttons) ... You guys lost a nexus turret by the time they got from baron to midlane. You would have lost both turrets without Sona defending. 

 

They also only started baron once Corki showed himself on the map. They were waiting for someone to defend (that wasn't Sona, evidently). There was no "baron fight" - you don't fight over baron when you have two inhibitors. 

 

Not to mention the way you guys were contesting baron (minus peter), required the entire team having flash and flashing over baron wall at once. Maybe Sona didn't have flash? 

on Oct 22, 2012

Letting super minions wail on your nexus is never the right choice imo. I also disagree with pacov reporting. 1. You reported for the wrong thing, if anything it should be under refusing to communicate. 2. She did nothing to merit a report, she was simply trying to prevent you all from losing the match. I do agree with Karl on following your team late game, and I do think that he refers to me when he says some people don't (hint: sometimes I avoid the team on purpose! mainly when early game goes bad and everyone goes into a blaming fit). All in all I think contesting baron was the wrong choice. You can defend from baron, but it is incredibly hard to push when your nexus towers are down (they can simply backdoor at that point).

on Oct 22, 2012

re: rammus and the new jungle, riot said this:

"New jungle helps him a lot from a speed and gank patterns perspective. One of Rammus' big advantages was his access to early ganks. Now that is a common trait, which leaves Rammus without a good defining trait.

Rammus may need additional changes after that, but I think it's important to see this first since it has a high degree of relation to Rammus' performance."

Morello also confirmed that there is a new varus skin in the works, but no details provided.

Tristana actually has a decent change that is live on PBE now - her explosive shot now also has its ranged increased as her attack range goes up.  This is referring to the active afaik.

Scara apparently said that "Within the next two months, Riot will make reasons to play ranked 5's"

The honor system is getting a small tweak.  If you have no other badges visible but have honorable opponent, it will start to be visible to your teammates.

Morello indicates that irelia will likely see some sort of nerf in season 3 - doesn't ellaborate.

 

on Oct 22, 2012

My analysis at the time was that if we wiped them at baron, we could get back in time to save nexus.  It could have been wrong and it would have been close.  I was personally inclined to b, but whatever choice was made had to be as a team.

on Oct 22, 2012

Morgana needs a buff XP

on Oct 23, 2012

I would not advise using Peter's AP+ rune page.

on Oct 23, 2012

I was super happy with how I did as Shen in 1 game in particular last night.  Felt like it was easily my best game with him ever.  Lots of clutch plays and good reaction to the other team trying to counter jungle.  Completely shut down an irelia in lane on top of that.  New mission - get pete to use smarter runes. 

on Oct 23, 2012

FE was released today - playing a bit of that - watch on the stream if you care.  I'll be playing lol in a wee bit.

on Oct 23, 2012

I won another ranked game.  It must be dumb luck.  Or I'm cursed.

on Oct 24, 2012

Peter's runes made me LOL for a good 3 minutes, thanks. 

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