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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Jan 29, 2013

hmm... something interesting on pbe right now:

"As an example, we have implemented a system on PBE that will automatically detect toxic behaviors and ban the players the same day—this system will go live today and will immediately punish 167 players with a 7 day ban. Depending on the consistency and severity of the toxic behaviors, this system will hand out bans that range in severity from a 7 day ban to a permanent ban from the PBE environment. This system will start off conservative and may have hiccups at first, but we hope to ramp up the aggressiveness of this system while maintaining a goal of 99% accuracy with a false positive rate of less than 1%."

on Jan 29, 2013

team games live now - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Jan 30, 2013

karl - thunder thought he saw you spectating after you quit.  I saw my stream went down.  Just curious - did you log back in to spectate then?

Anywho - really fun games tonight.  Last game of the night I got to play my crappy yi.  I enjoy that even when I do bad, so yay.  Our bot lane in the last game did really well - xel had nice stats as graves and our support went to support town apparently.  Side note - I hope no one takes offense.  I sadly didn't even know our bot lane did well until the other team surrendered... I was caught up in my awful yi world and had like 0 map awareness outside of a few times when I could roam etc... when I could get trouser not to steal my fucking blue.  

Anyway, while its fresh in folks minds, I would like some feedback re: teams in the last game.  Did anyone think it was a big mismatch going in?  I felt like we'd have strong top, decent jungle presence, so so mid, and god knows what bot... eg that = pacov's assessment of his team going in.  Was it a reasonable matchup or really smeh?  I appreciate any feedback.  Thanks again for the in house games tonight.  Night all!

on Jan 30, 2013

i don't think the teams were "wildly" mismatched - each team had 3 experienced "core" members. (people with 1000+ games that tend to play inhouse a bit).

i think the strange part was that we traded you our best player (Gotnades), while you gave us your (second?) worst player. That might have been a fair trade (depending on what the original teams were), if we didn't already have the weakest player out of the 10 to begin with.

That said, i don't really think that that game was too badly a product of a mis-matched team.  

 

One thing about AP Yi though is even if you rank yourself as "so-so" (ie, lower map awareness, less knowledge of lane matchupes, whatever, because you don't play a lot of mid), AP Yi is "really really" good at farming. You completely blew Sharp out of the water, even with your roaming toplane.

 

And yeah, i had no idea that bot lane was going to go so well for you  

 

i think the auto-ban of Malphite and Shen seemed to work out well, so that's cool. 

on Jan 30, 2013

awuffleablehedgie
i think the auto-ban of Malphite and Shen seemed to work out well, so that's cool.

cool - we'll prob keep doing that then unless we get some folks very opposed.  Makes sense to most of us it seems anyway.

awuffleablehedgie
think the strange part was that we traded you our best player (Gotnades)

there's the exciting pacov handicapping thing again - I really didn't think gotnades was your best player (eg didn't think I was requesting your best).  Glad you folks were willing to try it.  I think we have good communication between thunder and myself at least pre game now, so I'm pretty happy about that. 

re: yi - yah - my experience with him is that he's great at farming and bullying mid.  If I don't land any kills by mid or so, I get pretty shut down.  I just checked the cs diff between sharpy and myself...yah... 200 to 131. I don't think I crushed her in lane or anything... I just was very aggressive at taking cs off my wraiths/wolves/her wraiths whenever I could.  Was she roaming too much that she fell behind?

on Jan 30, 2013

no, she just isn't that great at CS'ing - when you died that time at wraiths a few minutes into the game, you were 21, she was 7.

on Jan 30, 2013

I don't know if we could say for sure that our team adjustments were bad since I was lagging pretty heavily that game.  There was one point where myself and a full health Sona were safely under our tower, when a lag spike hit.  The minions started moving kinda funky and a few seconds later Graves and Taric magically appeared over Sona's corpse which was kinda frustrating.

This was of course after a nightmare Xerath game I played, where I immediately drove to my ISP's office and traded out my modem and signed up for the "turbo" internet.  Went home, tested everything out best I knew how, and then lagged all game long.  I've always had not great internet, living on an island and all but my LoL lag has gotten noticeably worse ever since the Vi patch.

I'm gonna do what I can to fix things but I'm not the only one who has had trouble with spikes since Vi went live.  My buddy who lives in New Jersey started having really bad spikes like I had last night, about the time I started having minor ones.  Apparently LoL was the only game he had trouble with and everything with his ISP tested out fine, and he went through all their steps like removing Pando and turning off Peer To Peer Transferring which fixed nothing.

So yeah, I'm gonna see if I can fix things but I'm also gonna try out some other game my buddy wanted me to play and see if that lags much.  If I don't have hug latency issues on that one, then I might be done with LoL.  

If so, thanks for the games everybody!

on Jan 30, 2013

Thunder - a couple of things you can do to find out if the problem is due to your isp.  1st - do a speedtest and get your average upload speed.  Download bitmeter (you can find on cnet).  Right click on bitmeter and then left click on alerts.  Set an alert to warn you when you as a smidge under your average upload speed.  Now, this doesn't tell you precisely what the problem is, but it does indicate that your upload bandwidth is the problem.  That could mean that you have something else that is sapping your upload speed.

Side note - if you have someone else on your network, this means rubbish unless you are certain they are powered down when you are running this test. 

on Jan 30, 2013

Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a shot but I kinda doubt bandwidth is the issue.  I checked my speed after upgrading and it seemed a solid 20 download/2 upload.  Also, my roommate wasn't even home for the in house game where I was having the worst issues and said she was only listening to itunes during that earlier game we played.  I guess Bitmeter makes sure the bandwidth stays consistent during gaming?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2846899

This is a thread full of people who have been having a similar issue around the time I started spiking, which makes me think it's not my ISP.

 

 

 

on Jan 30, 2013

karl - thunder thought he saw you spectating after you quit.  I saw my stream went down.  Just curious - did you log back in to spectate then?

I was kind of watching one of your games while doing other stuff around the apartment.

on Jan 30, 2013

Thundercles
Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a shot but I kinda doubt bandwidth is the issue.  I checked my speed after upgrading and it seemed a solid 20 download/2 upload.  Also, my roommate wasn't even home for the in house game where I was having the worst issues and said she was only listening to itunes during that earlier game we played.  I guess Bitmeter makes sure the bandwidth stays consistent during gaming?

 

People don't necessarily have to be home for their devices to take bandwidth.  Lots of devices do some kind of automatic nonsense, even if they aren't infected with all kinds of malware.  It is most likely that something like this is messing up LoL.

on Jan 30, 2013

re: the lag thing - I had issues starting around when you mentioned.  For me, they just kind of leveled off.  I never quite figured out what the problem was but its been better for me lately.  I have carbonite and started making sure that was disabled for a bit.  I can't really cite anything that magically resolved my problem.  Hopefully you can narrow something down.  Nothing gets me yelling at the screen like being frozen and unable to do jack shit...

on Jan 30, 2013

Thundercles
Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a shot but I kinda doubt bandwidth is the issue.  I checked my speed after upgrading and it seemed a solid 20 download/2 upload.  Also, my roommate wasn't even home for the in house game where I was having the worst issues and said she was only listening to itunes during that earlier game we played.  I guess Bitmeter makes sure the bandwidth stays consistent during gaming?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2846899

This is a thread full of people who have been having a similar issue around the time I started spiking, which makes me think it's not my ISP.

Are you 20/2 or 20/20? 2 Mbps (b -> little b == 256 KBps -> big upload isn't very good. On the other hand, 20 Mbps up is really excessive.

 

That said, LoL doesn't have very high upload requirements, and unless you've noticed TS lagging, then that probably isn't the issue. 

 

Usually, stuff like a 1.5 second delay are caused by one of two things:

- saturated download (you have no more download, so you don't get anymore information). This is solved with more download bandwidth.

- dropped packets (the server is either not sending you data, or it is getting lost en route to your house). This is what causes a "ping spike". A "ping" is the measurement of time it takes for a packet to make a round-trip from you to your server, so if your packets are being dropped, for a few seconds your ping will dramatically increase. 

 

If you have cases where like you see the enemy move but your commands don't go through, then that would be your upload not being good enough. 

The link you linked does seem to imply that there is an issue with their servers not sending information to people, so it could be LoL's problem, esp since you just upgraded your internet and it used to work on a worse connection. It could also just be stuff like there is construction going on with the internet connection, new wires, etc, and then it'll resolve itself later.

on Jan 30, 2013

20 Mbps Download and 2 Mbps Upload.

Yeah doesn't sound like an upload problem... just four bar lag spikes, ice skating minions, etc.

Hopefully I'll be able to figure something out when I get home, but it's been pretty aggravating when it wasn't as bad as yesterday.  Knowing a day like yesterday could happen is going to take the enjoyment out of the game even when the spikes aren't bad enough to be game breaking.

on Jan 31, 2013

thunder - do u have a setup where you can plug directly into the cable modem (bypass router)?  If so, give that a go one night if your roommate will be a pal and see if you still have issues.

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