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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Feb 04, 2013

psychoak
I just dropped a rank, five games in a row, support for an utterly incompetent collection of boobs that couldn't kill a fly with a nuke.

I will see you at the bottom, my friend.  Don't worry, I'll keep you company.

on Feb 04, 2013

Time to catch up on random posts that I missed... Glad you were able to sort your computer woes out karl.  So, now you don't think you have a mobo issue?  Sounded like more than just network problems. Anyway, wish you the best of luck.

-Ue_Carbon
the irony of you winning with yi makes me laugh.

How come?  Was I on a tear about how ap yi mid was a POS or something in the past?  Wouldn't surprise me.  Guy farms like a champion at the very least. 

Question: do replays work?

Lol replays does work... or did in the past.  It could be things are broken now as sometimes they need to make updates when new patches come up... which means it could potentially be broken at any time.  I used to save all my replays, but LoLReplays is pretty damn unstable on windows 8 (randomly crashes the LoL client itself, often are really, really bad times (ranked game champ select, for instance...).  Anyway, replays are extremely useful.  I'd recommend downloading lol replays, playing a game, and then try to load the replay of that game.  That will confirm if its working at all.  Then, see if you can get some replays to work not via download.

Also - if you guys get stuck with 9 sometime and I am on I'll be more than happy to jump into a house game

I'll give you an invite if you are on and we need people.

I still need to learn a lot but i think I can manage well enough with the few champs that i play. Generally Cait/Ashe or possibly Taric (although I haven't had much love for him yet). Yi/Katarina as a second tier.. Malphite (I know...he's banned). If anyone has a suggestion for another to pick up next that would round matches out I will pick them up.

You'd do well to pick up a few more support characters.  We could def try to put you wherever, but in general, you should have at least 2-3 supports you can play well.  Taric is great - you should pick up soraka/sona/janna (all of those or 2).  Sona is probably the most useful of those 3.  Also, I should probably put you through "support boot camp" where I yell at you and tell you how to play support.  I'm sure its super fun.    Not to say we'd make you play support, mind you, but its a good idea to have 2-3 that you can play - plus the more chracters you have, the easier it is for us to swap characters at champ select (eg if I'm 1st pick, I'd generally prefer to pick a support and have someone else pick a mid for me.  The reason for this is that I can avoid getting counter picked, etc).  Anyway, hopefully I'll catch you soon.

re: the game rawr posted - its quite a bit of fun. If you liked diablo III, pretty good odds you'll at least be entertained by the game.  And its in free open beta right now, so no cost.  Give it a look.

 

on Feb 04, 2013

Mauxe, add me, and I'll play games with ya.

KrdaxDrkrun

 

Psychoak, did I add you? I can't remember if you have an alias or something...

on Feb 04, 2013

Thanks for the offers.  I'll add you dax, and pacov - I'm always up for some constructive...yelling.

I'll pick up Sona today.  I keep looking at her and I have had some good experiences playing alongside her as Cait. 

Taric - I like him. i just haven't played him enough and figured out what I should be doing with him.  I'm going to find a good guide to read through. 

 

I looked briefly at that beta game..  it looks good but i had to look away.  I just don't think I have the time to spend on another.  Right now all of my free time is spent on LoL but I still enjoy GW2.  I've got the whole Metro Humble Bundle to play...  the SotS2 thread that keeps popping up around here reminds me that I bought SotS Complete and have not tried it at all.  I haven't touched FE since it was launched...  I picked up Arx Fatalis and want to give that a go.  I outwardly regret but secretly am happy with the fact that I missed out on the D&D Ultimate collection that was posted recently.  Not to mention the boardgames...

on Feb 04, 2013

um...

scroll to the bottom and speculate.... holy shit.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23053-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-2-4-2013-game-client

 

I'll simplify

New Strings

game_announcement_OnEqualizeAgreed_EnemyTeam
  Enemy team agreed to grant @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels to your team. @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ against!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeAgreed_YourTeam
  Your team agreed to grant @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels to the enemy team. @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ against!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeAgreed_blue
  Blue Team agreed to grant @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels to Red Team. @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ against!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeAgreed_purple
  Purple Team agreed to grant @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels to Red Team. @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ against!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeAgreed_red
  Red Team agreed to grant @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels to Purple Team. @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ against!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeCountDown
  @RemainingTime@ time remaining until equalize voting closes!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes
  Equalize vote failed @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes_EnemyTeam
  Equalize vote failed for enemy team @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes_YourTeam
  Equalize vote failed for your team @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes_blue
  Equalize vote failed for Blue Team @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes_purple
  Equalize vote failed for Purple Team @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeFailedVotes_red
  Equalize vote failed for Red Team @ForVotes@ / @AgainstVotes@.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeNotEnoughGold
  Your team's gold advantage is not high enough to equalize teams.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeNotEnoughLevels
  Your team's level advantage is not high enough to equalize the teams.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeSpam
  You cannot call for an equalize vote again after the first was denied.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeTooEarly
  Too early in the game to equalize the teams!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeVote
  @ForVotes@ votes for and @AgainstVotes@ votes against a Equalize.
game_announcement_OnEqualizeVoteAlready
  You have already voted!
game_announcement_OnEqualizeVoteStart
 

@srctr name@ has started a vote to equalize with the enemy team. The enemy team will be granted approximately @GoldGranted@ gold, @TowersGranted@ towers and @LevelsGranted@ levels. Type /equalize or /noequalize.

 

 

on Feb 04, 2013

just crushed in a ranked.  got 27 points for my 1st match.  so there... n stuff.

on Feb 04, 2013

in house live - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Feb 04, 2013

I don't think I have any of you in my list actually.  I'm lazy.

 

Anyone that wants to add me can do it easy enough though, same as my nick here.

on Feb 05, 2013

I think we are still really rot for balancing teams.  Hopefully we will get better at it.  I think maybe next time thunder and I will just go captains and pick down the line (or at least I think I'd like to do that).  I think it breaks down into the 4 lanes (top/mid/jungle/bot).  You can generally eyeball things and say ok, I think we have a stronger mid.  So, logically, then it would be fair to have the other team having a stronger something else.  Close to fairly matched, imo, would be like a strong top/bot vs a strong mid/jungle.  I think we can resolve any balance concerns by just doing an outright draft private style.  We'd just rotate who go first pick.  Probably the best way to do things.

I have more than a few thoughts about games tonight, but not much time.

Instead, I'll just go on about my 1 ranked game tonight.  It was quite successful and incredibly encouraging to have my 1st game placed in a league with reasonable, thought out players.  Here's a link to the game - nice to see the 1st few min anyway for the way a good lobby should be - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/1898206

Anyway, folks call their preferred roles.  No one is a dick about things.  It becomes clear to me that they might need me to jungle, so I call out that I'm just outright bad with it and offer to support or mid.  Someone steps up to fill in.  I ask for more cc and we get it.  In short, we end up with a team composition that works with a yi mid at all points during the game.  Everyone plays well and is kind.  Really, a fun game. 

on Feb 05, 2013

I'm all for picking teams.  Of course I will have to needlessly complicate the process, cause that's what I do.

There are going to be 8 picks, and I think it's important to have a varied pick order.  In other words it might be more fair to have one team get to have the 2nd and the 3rd picks if there is someone like Wallstop in the game and no Rawr to balance him out. 

It also works the other way if there is someone vastly less experienced.  One team might need to have the 1st and 2nd picks to balance out having the last pick for instance.

So, one of us decides the pick order for the two teams, and the other chooses whichever he finds more appealing.

on Feb 05, 2013

1 - 2,3 - 4,5 - 6,7 - 8 

is the easiest way to pick things, in my opinion.

 

it also let's you build synergies (like picking your bot lane, or your mid+jungler).

on Feb 05, 2013

It may be the easiest, but it won't always be the most balanced Hedgie.

If everyone is all pretty much at the same level, except Wallstop or another ace player is in the mix, then 1,4,5,8 will have the best team.  On the flip side, if some one is in the game who is far less experienced than the rest of us, then 1,4,5,8 will have the losing team most likely IMO.

Now with my way, I can look at the talent level and decide how to order the picks considering who the best and worst players are.  If there is a ringer in the player pool, I can say that the picks are 1 - 2,3,4 - 5,6 - 7 - 8.  Then Pacov gets to decide whether he thinks having picks 1,5,6,8 or 2,3,4,7 would be better.

on Feb 05, 2013

ah okay, that makes sense then

on Feb 05, 2013

Let's just try the 1,3,5,8 setup for our next team game.  I'd prefer to keep it is simple as possible and then create a more developed system if we determine that is rot.  The way I really think it will play out is that thunder and I will take 1 and 2 based on whoever we think is strongest and based on that will build our teams around those 1, 2 picks positions.  Anywho, let's give it a go and see how it pans out.  heh... I'm literally going to have to write down everyone's name as we are picking for a visual. 

on Feb 05, 2013

Yeah, I think my original idea where one person divides up the teams and the other captain picks which team he wants was great... in theory.  When it came down to actually doing it however, I felt I needed a bunch of pictures and a board to pin them on like in those shows like Homeland or The Wire to figure out what good teams would be.

I think deciding pick order would be a much simpler thing to do on the fly, and I'd be fine with figuring out what I think would be a fair order for both teams and let you have the order you want.

The way I see it, is that you're the one who has decided the pick order for all future games... so I'll let you know whether I prefer 1,3,5,8 or 2,4,6,7 every time we play?  Sorry if that sounds dickish, but I think we both put very different values on having an extremely weak or strong player on a team and so I'm not willing to switch who gets to pick first (or has to pick last) if I feel that it's going to win or lose the game in team select.  Especially when I feel I've come up with a hopefully not too complicated, very fair way to pick teams based on the varying skill level of players in each game.

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