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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 18, 2013

In random video game news, I beat the sc2 expansion yesterday.  I really like the campaign, but it was a bit too short imo.  I wish they would have made it a bit lengthier.  I played through on normal and that was a cake walk. I'm sure I'll play it a few more times on hard/brutal before too long. 

In lol news, I haven't been super pumped about ranked play on my main account and am more interested in trying various characters and getting better.  Anyone move up a div/tier recently?  I think I'll get back into the swing of things and play more ranked on my main in the near future.

I'm really enjoying playing on my alt account.  My main has like 10k ip with all champs unlocked atm.  So, nothing too exciting there.  My alt, on the other hand, is pretty gimped for IP - I don't have enough adcs unlocked (literally trist/corki/ash atm).  I don't have proper rune page setups either.  Just the 2 pages with minimal runes (yellow arm, gold quints, ad red, mr blues).  I'd love to get that 1% crit rune, but I'm not going to spend 400ish IP on it for a red.  Maybe I'll get a blue crit chance... not sure if that's cheaper.  Anyway, I have 1800 ip after games yesterday on my alt.  Need 4800 to get another adc.  I feel like I can win consistently with trist, but if she's taken, then I'm stuck with ash (side note - I'm running gold quints + gold in utility on my adcs - that + extra money with ash helps quite a bit). still, I'd rather have a more versatile adc, so I'll likely want cait or ez - cait is 4800 ip, not sure about ez. 

So, I'm on my alt account yesterday and I decide to play a normal.  Well, I end up playing with a douchebag 4 man premade.  I'm 1st pick, do my usual adc pref, then pick adc.  Last 1 of their pals is apparently not a fan of going support.  So the twat decides to wait for the countdown to finish and randoms riven.  This puts me (mf-she's free atm and I can play in normals) vs leona/vayne.  Anyway, I quickly head bot, farm whatever I can and push my wave.  Then I head to mid to leach xp and money from my mid as riven has made it so I can't farm safely.  Anyway, bot lane sees me doing this, so they push their wave... so I run bot and repeat.  Guys quickly got thru their head that I would happily lane with them unless they did something useful to help bot.  Knowing these are twats, I mute them quickly on.  Anyway, I carry bot quite nicely as the vayne/leona have a low skill level even though its 2v1.  All of that said, I immediately decide its time to play ranked so I don't end up with a 4 man twat premade.  Not sure why I didn't play ranked in the 1st place.  So, I'm 3/2 now in my placement series.  I actually hope I don't end up in silver.... but I have the added benefit of not caring a ton about this account.

on Mar 18, 2013

dem patch notes are live:  http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/patch-304-notes-0

They did not take the taric nerf far enough...

Dazzle

  • Stun duration adjusted to 1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5/1.6 seconds from 1.5 at all ranks
on Mar 18, 2013

@Pacov

Shatter

  • Damage reduced to 50/90/130/170/210 from 60/105/150/190/240
  • Armor damage ratio reduced to 20% from 30%

Taric was already somewhat vulnerable to AP lane damage like Lulu's harassment and Leona's burst.  Now?I think he's going to be their bitch.

 

As far as your pick vs call order issue goes, that wasn't an ideal situation since you were on your alt and didn't have much choice as far as going top or mid went, or doing trades to not get countered.  And when you're first pick, ADC is a good route to go... no need to give that up for a duo that's acting like twerps.

Of course when you end up with someone as your support who doesn't want to play the position and isn't very good at it, you could maybe not report them at the end of the game since there was someone willing and able to do it before you pulled rank.

on Mar 18, 2013

I like that stun change, he falls off a little in the late game with only a 1.5 second single target stun anyway.  Actually having to level it up is nice too, that's his biggest problem is that stun is a gimme with one level.  The nerf to shatter is unneeded I expect, now that you can't just pump heal and shatter to max while ignoring dazzle.

on Mar 18, 2013

supports are kinda supposed to fall off: that is why they are supports and not carries. Also you don't get to be a lane bully and strong end game. That is called OP (unless you have some other critical weakness like horrific mana costs or plenty of counterpicks - see Kass). 

Also: most of taric's endgame power comes from giving his team a baron buff, not from his catch. 

on Mar 18, 2013

psychoak

I like that stun change, he falls off a little in the late game with only a 1.5 second single target stun anyway.  Actually having to level it up is nice too, that's his biggest problem is that stun is a gimme with one level.  The nerf to shatter is unneeded I expect, now that you can't just pump heal and shatter to max while ignoring dazzle.

The problem, imo, is that they did not nerf the stun enough.  1.2 seconds vs 1.5?  pfft.  I'm sure it makes a difference, but I just don't think much of 1.  Honestly, they need to over nerf and then adjust.  Guy is picked like 56% of the time with a similar win rate.  Methinks drastic measures best so his pick rate falls off, then buff.  Not these pissant nerfs.

on Mar 18, 2013

pacov's jungle is now officially better than jungle annie.  I know.  I'm surprised as well.  Getting really annoyed with streaming lately.  I'll be completely fine and lagless, then just spike for reasons I haven't figured out.  I was thinking it was skype, but its not.  Played a bit without skype on tonight and still had a spike.  Compared to yesterday, I had zero spikes playing solo.  My wife's been more into using the laptop lately.  That shouldn't really have an impact, but that's the only angle I can think of.  No idea why that would be using much upload bandwidth though.  She wasn't using the laptop yesterday and all was well.  Anyway, mayhaps I'm going to throttle my router and see if that fixes me up. 

Had some fun in house games.  Can't quite get Bryff's adc logic through my brain yet (other than - ooo piece of candy (look - farm!)).  Guy wanders off like a champ.  Ah well - he'll play more adc and get better.  Night all.

 

on Mar 19, 2013

In completely random news, I really dig the main page of reddit (www.reddit.com).  In the past I only kept an eye on the league of legends reddit (daily).  I was surprised to see how many LoL posts actually end up on the main page of reddit.  And there's quite a bit of amusing stuff there as well.  If you haven't checked it out before, I recommend you.  Creating an account doesn't even require email confirmation, so you are up and running in about a minute or less.  

Ok - so Janna question for folks.  I was reading about the NA challenger tier and the number 1/2 spot is occupied by a dedicated support player that mostly plays Janna.  I checked out his rune pages and masteries along with some of his game history to get an idea of how he itemizes.  Itemization varies by game.  Mostly runs AP janna as support.  Always with a site stone but often with items like morellicon and an ap centered kit - picking up a support item here and there as appropriate, but focused mostly on AP. 

That said - she's generally a defensive support.  For instance, taric/leona, ali, and nami all rely on their stuns/knockups to provide for initiates.  She can safely disengage for her adc via shield/slow/knockup without much trouble.  She can shield to add dmg for her adc or self to poke.  I haven't figured out a proper initiate yet or seen a vid of someone playing her as a support at top level (season 3, mind you, though the intiate is likely the same).  How does one initiate properly with her in a way that your adc knows its time to go all in?  If I shield myself, aa, then slow, the adc likely isn't following that up and would likely just assuming I'm poking and doing some zoning.  That method also just leaves me with the whirlwind to protect my adc and disengage.  I'm wondering if all you can do is play defensive, zone as possible, and then just back your adc when/if he makes a move.  There's just no clear sign to your adc that its all in time, so its a bit like soraka in that your adc makes the call and you back them. Or if you shield your adc, whirlwind and slow, if your adc doesn't back you, you lose quite a bit of hp and become too weak to do much for your adc.  I suppose I could ping a target when I'm looking to go in and hope the adc backs the play.  Still kind of ify.  Any thoughts or does anyone have a link to some pros playing as janna during the laning phase? 

on Mar 19, 2013

janna's initiate is the same as  Nami/Leona: the support shoots a skill shot. If it hits, commit and hit all the buttons. If it misses, don't hit all the buttons and don't commit. 

If you Zephyr + Tornado then shield yourself i assume you are doing soloharrass. If you want me to follow, you better have a shield.

on Mar 19, 2013

hmmm.... see, I still don't feel like the adc follows even if I go zephyr + tornado and hold off on the shield.  It certainly seems like I'm setting up an engage, but if the adc doesn't back my play after zeph/tornado, I get ripped up if I don't shield myself.  I can certainly slap a shield on my adc after that 1-2 punch, but the adc is often hesitant to commit.  Maybe some of my problem is who I'm laning against.  For instance, let's say I'm up against cait/taric.  So, taric is standing in a warded bush and cait is in the mid.  I angle around onto cait, get the slow off and toss out a ww.  Now, the knockup from an insta cast ww is very weak (weaker than tarics "nerfed stun" btw - great job riot!).  So, unless my adc reacts almost instantly, the enemy can just instantly re-engage when taric moves to stun my adc.  I toss out a shield and we likely come out on top of the trade, but not by much.  But that method only works if my adc reacts immediately to what I'm doing due to the slow stun duration.  I'm trying to figure out appropriate rules of engagement based on her kit.  Eg w/ leona its completely obvious when you are committed to the adc.  You know that if you don't back leona when she hits her stuff, leona will take a pounding and be useless to you (if the lane is even ofc).  Anyway, just trying to figure out how to play it.  Conversely, I could charge up a ww and attempt to position so that I catch the adc in a full power ww + zephyr - that's obv a little harder to do based on the angle.  Anyway, this is making me think that playing her as a defensive support might be the proper posture as she has such good disengages.  Not sure tho...

on Mar 19, 2013

a lot of people aren't used to playing with Janna - that is a big part of it. 

You need to prove yourself with awesome shields and great knockups before i am inclined to play as offensive with Janna than i would Leona.

on Mar 19, 2013

"Now, the knockup from an insta cast ww is very weak (weaker than tarics "nerfed stun" btw - great job riot!)."

Comparing an AoE skillshot knock-up (not effected by tenacity) to a point and click single target stun is not a good way to argue whether Taric has been properly balanced or not.

on Mar 19, 2013

looks like the patch went live, so we'll see how mr taric is doing now.  its a reasonable comparison in laning phase imo.  what's still better?  taric, I'd argue. 

 

on Mar 19, 2013

http://www.lolking.net/champions/taric#statistics

so far today, tarics pick rate is pretty much identical along with his win rate -right around 55% for both.  Presumably people will still keep picking him like normal and if he's actually been nerfed sufficiently, we should see that pick rate drop off quite a bit over the next few weeks.  If the nerfs were rot, we'll still see pick/win rate around 55%.  Going to try him out tonight at some point and see if there is any noticeable difference to me.

on Mar 19, 2013

ok then - I throttled the bandwidth that can pass through my router - hopefully that resolves my lag spike problem. 

also - until a hotfix comes out, be aware that the frenzy mastery is not working atm.  http://en.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1aloi8/bug_frenzy_does_not_work_10_as_on_crit/

 

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