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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 19, 2013

just had an 0/0/10 taric on my team with no items.  Nerf worked. 

on Mar 19, 2013

Hard CC and a heal will always be a popular pick unless the char sucks, would be nice to have less than 55% though.

 

on Mar 20, 2013

1st - you've decided to tune into this post for exciting pacov news - today, I bring you the most exciting news ever.  Udyr - at long last, has been granted jungler status by Riot.  That's right.  He was previously just melee, but on PBE is not melee; jungler.  Now, keep in mind that there is no guarantee that this change will hit live, but I think there are good odds that he will be promoted to a jungler in the next patch.  STAY TUNED!!!

just had an 0/0/10 taric on my team with no items. Nerf worked.

To be completely fair, taric did sell all his items and played with nothing for the last 10 minutes on a game we stomped like 25-5 or something. 

psychoak
Hard CC and a heal will always be a popular pick unless the char sucks, would be nice to have less than 55% though.

He still has a perfect support kit.  The only thing that would make him stronger is a multi champion stun.  He has heal, he as a completely reliable, non skill shot stun all game, and he has dmg output.  His single biggest threat in laning/all game is his stun.  He can safely defend and initiate all game long if you have half a brain.  Easily the safest, most reliable support bar none.  And I still say this nerf is rubbish.  You want folks to stop picking him 55% of the time (let that sink in - in ALL of the LoL games played, with 100 + characters, this is a character that appears in EVERY game in EVERY region 55% of the time. SINK...IN...STAT.  That is OP and completely, totally, absolutely unbalanced.  Zero characters should be picked in > 50% of all games worldwide with a gigantic player base.  Riot is trying to fix it.  Here's how.  .5 second stun at level 1.  Expand from that.  Max it at 1.25 seconds at most.  Super.  I just gave supports a reason to play a different champ.  I DID IT!

 

on Mar 20, 2013

We used to have reasons to play other healer supports, but they went and fucked their heals up so Taric has the best one now.  If you want a brain dead support that fills the basic healer role, it's Taric.  Everyone else is a more complicated character, not weaker.

 

I really don't think he's that bad, I've been using him a lot recently(for how much I bother playing anyway, not a several games a night kinda guy) and I've become a damn good Taric.  I also won most of my games as support Kayle though, that's Kayle's worst position, she's a better jungler than she is a support.  I had plenty of perfect lanes, and several perfect games where I kept the carry with a perfect score at the end of the game.  I do really well with Soraka too, heal through their pokes, keep your carry supplied with mana, and when it comes time to engage, you silence the poor fool and drop a heal on your carry to boost their armor as soon as they start taking damage.

 

Taric snowballed hard before their changes.  No one would max dazzle first, there wasn't any point.  You went shatter in a kill lane, imbue in a passive lane.  He's got one of the best heals for mana efficiency.

 

Now you have to get a lot of armor to maintain the same burst capability, as well as your aura bonus.  Maxing shatter gets you less damage than before, no more armor.  His sustain is still good, but his burst is way down, and his shortened stun is quite the impact.  A stun that lasts less time than your attack rate can have an impact of zero damage difference, at 1.5 seconds it all but guarantees a free attack before the next retaliation.  I can't compensate for a crappy carry much at all with the guy now.

 

Where he'd be disgusting is in a solo lane, building armor and resist items with mana as a tank.  You can get 4k pretty easy while turning into a beastly tank, and that adds 160 damage to his attacks against champions with another 20% of his 200-300 armor for his shatter and 12% of it to the armor.  Take a Manamune and give yourself a nice 10% mana strike for ~400 damage once it levels into a Muramana.  You should be able to solo an enemy carry and end with full health.

on Mar 20, 2013

karma is on pbe.  I'll likely check her out after work for a bit.

on Mar 20, 2013

in case you were wondering... karma is STUPID op.

on Mar 20, 2013

Yes...  Karma has always been great, just high skill.  They need to stop buffing and nerfing characters based on popularity.

on Mar 20, 2013

I've read that while Call of Duty is a casual FPS compared to Quake and Red Orchestra, League of Legends is a casual MOBA compared to DOTA 2. Whadda ya say about that?

Or, why do you play a MOBA which isn't the most skillful? 

on Mar 20, 2013

psychoak
Karma has always been great, just high skill

Well... I wouldn't go quite that far.  Her engages are just SICK though now.  Like you could have a 1.5 second stun + 1 slow + nuke at level 2.  But - she can only heal herself now.  I'm not sure what I think of her as a support, but as an AP/AP bruiser, she's a bit sick.

Campaigner
Or, why do you play a MOBA which isn't the most skillful?

I already called dibs on being the shit stirrer upper here.  But that said, its really a matter of what you enjoy more.  If I liked dota more, I'd play it.  I don't really find LoL all that casual, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks that play both games like casual games.

on Mar 20, 2013

mr thunder and I duo some ranked - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1

 

on Mar 20, 2013

AND NOW - playing in house 5v5.

on Mar 20, 2013

pacov/jona vs thunder/hunny BOT LANE WAR!!! live in a min

on Mar 21, 2013

so quick in house summary.  Game 1 was a stomp.  Going to be blunt for a second and then knock that off.  In my mind, this stomp happened for 2 reasons.  Reason 1 - we had folks we didn't know and couldn't balance well - so a stomp was likely to happen on some side.  Reason 2 - Broken was on the other team.  Probably should have either not included him based or made him play support and have trouser go jungle.  Thunder had him warded solid bot so he couldn't do a damn thing and our jungler was around quite a bit.  Downside for us - I played kog - which is fine, but didn't give us a good gap closer for amumu ganks the way they were setup.  At any rate, bot was like a 2.5 v 2 lane in our favor due to jungle presence.  Plus you could tell jona was getting pissed so it wasn't much of a challenge to give him me as target and see him go all in to try to make a play.  I end as kog 8/2/13. Bot lane was kog(pacov)/thresh(thunder) vs trist(hunny)/naut(trouser).  Trousers actually a good support with naut and hunny is a solid trist.  But barrier kept me safe during one of their all ins and we managed to trade very favorably.  We actually got our 1st kill in the lane because thunder ran ignite.  Trist was about to get out with like 50 hp after barrier blown and thunder was able to lock it down.  Very well played.  So, we win 1st major fight bot without any jungles due to thunder.  After that, it was a matter of us having a jungler and them not. 

Game 2 was more interesting (here's a link to the game from my pov with audio (only bryff/pacov/karl in skype) http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2050872).  It was jona (cait)/ pacov (nunu) vs hunny(draven)/thunder(thresh).  Mostly, we were able to outplay hunny.  He'd go for aggressive trades and we countered him.  If you watch the vid, I do a lot of early countering to thunders poke and attempt to act like I have snowball at 2.  A good thresh typically tries to toss out some poke at the adc - I move up to stop that on and off through the initial laning, but jona is good at following up the thresh retreats with dmg.  Watch the fight at 4 minutes in (VIDEO TIME NOT GAME TIME).  Gives you an idea of how we played things.  At 6:33 we have our 1st jungle gank.  We get a kill.  Everyone on my team does their job, but jona makes a very strong play to secure the kill on draven.  At 7:18 vid time, I make a really good play.  I know that jona is backing on a ward (or at least think he is).  Thunder takes a shot at a kill as he's low and I quickly appear to turn it with jona on thunder.  I'm pretty sure jona just screwed up (we was very likely dead to thunder if I didn't react).  Probably my best support moment of the game keeping an eye on him and reacting quickly.  That could have turned the lane around a smidge and given thunder more strength to support.  Anyway, after this, we just burst hunny down pretty damn quickly and locked him out of the game.  karl (on my team) was concerned with how mid/top were going, but we did a good job with bot.  I didn't pay attention to their jungler outside of spotting where he was related to bot lane, but he was likely spending his time mid/top.  He was not a huge presence bot and when he did show up, we were pretty well ahead and he couldn't do a hell of a lot there.  Nades was mid and have like 190 cs vs bryff's 84 or so.  Karl on the other team would have probably made a difference in swinging the balance, but maybe not.  We started to snowball (bot lane) after about the 3rd draven death. 

on Mar 21, 2013

For some reason I tune out the new "Missing" question mark ping.  I never seem to notice it.  In that game, top pinged that Rengar, but apparently I missed it and then complained that he didn't call it.  I hear the normal and back pings, but my brain just tunes out the missing ping.

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