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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Apr 25, 2013

pacov vlog #2 - pacov hates you all

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2201162

 

on Apr 25, 2013

Pacov, I know that this is off-topic, but I've sent you a private message regarding Peterdumptruckians in Guild Wars 2.

on Apr 25, 2013

I'll try to handle it.

 

edit---

I can't invite new members to our guild. pacov pls.

Only Pacov, Louist, and karl can invite people.

on Apr 25, 2013

also Pacov, your video appears to cut off after 5:00...

does anyone else have this issue?

on Apr 25, 2013

got your pm, steven - and yeah, I don't have the game installed atm, so I sadly can't add anyone to the guild. There are apparently other people in the guild at this time?

@dax - no idea about the vid (you are taking about the 2nd vlog)?  I think I listened to it play back before I went to bed and everything was there on my side.  I THINK I ported it over to youtube (will be doing that with all my vlogs), so perhaps check over there if the twitch link isn't working for you.  I can't check either of those vids at work

Random other stuff - riot is considering having dbl golums spawn at 1:45 or 1:50 to remove some of the xp adv gained early game.  I think its probably a good call.  This is mostly a blue side nerf, but its a smart one and a pretty clear adv imo.

Here's a great post covering all the price changes on skins - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1d2ovr/skin_rp_price_changes_splash_arts_and_spotlights/

 

on Apr 25, 2013

AFAIK, there is only one other member who has logged on recently.  I have sent another PM, could you please read and action it so that others can help grow the guild, even if you don't play it any more.  That would be very much appreciated.  I like the idea of a Stardock GW2 Guild, and would be willing to help keep the Guild going, and inviting more people to it.  I have met a few along the way you know.

on Apr 25, 2013

Won't be on til 11pm rest of the week... work gah... appreciate the vids, pacov!

EDIT: Team hook is awesome

on Apr 25, 2013

Your vlog 2 is fine now, must be Wendy's.

on Apr 25, 2013

f team hook.  Every time I play with pete and I can't talk to him I want to cry. 

I had a really good feeling we were going to get to have some in house games last night when I saw both dax and swan on.  Glad everyone could make it.  The 5v5 in house games are easily my fav thing currently.  Love it when we get to play against each other and try to kick each others arses. 

So, I played the other day with dax and he went taric.  I could not gell with the guy and kept misunderstanding how he was going to play things.  Then, he switches over to lux, which I don't think he'd played before.  Night and day difference.  He does a great job zoning and picks up her support playstyle really well.  I think lux was the 1st "fun" support I started playing.  I still kind of think she's a run support and pretty good for the team with her burst + utility. 

re: thresh - jebus, my opinion has changed quite a bit.  If any of you recollect, I didn't really like him as a support and I tried him out in a ton of different roles just to get a feel for how he'd do (even adc thresh - which blows btw).  I think a lot of my dislike for him as a support had to do with my inexperience and folks inexperience with how to interact with him.  Now I kind of see him as a top tier support for all that utility.  I that silly combo with thresh/rammus.  Anyway, he's generally a fun champ to play as, which is always nice to see in the support role. 

re: taric - my opinion of him has hit a pretty big low.  I'm really glad that riot hammered him enough so that he's no longer always picked.  I need to check his pick/win rate and see where that is at now.  No idea if its really dropped off a ton or not.  Anyway, leona is likely my current fav support to play as.

@hedgie/thunder - I've got to say I was a bit surprised to with your champ selection during our 1st in house game last night.  Not just the champs, but also with who was playing them (thunder = leblanc, hedgie = quinn).  Was that just a pick because you (like I did) thought we had a weaker team?  Do you guys go that combo and have some success? I didn't even know that thunder played leblanc (am I remember it wrong and hedgie was leblanc?).  Anyway, I still really think that quinn is a rot champ.  I'm really hoping the changes they have in store for her (does anyone have a link to those changes?  I can't find them) will make a nice difference. 

Anyway, I'll be on later tonight.

on Apr 25, 2013


 I didn't even know that thunder played leblanc (am I remember it wrong and hedgie was leblanc?). 

That's because thunder doesn't play leblanc

on Apr 25, 2013

I'd like to mention that if we do in house matches with Peter, I think that Peter needs to be on the team of somebody that he at least kind of listens to (ie Pacov).

In the second game last night he was on my team, which is bad because he has me ignored on everything.  He didn't really listen to anybody else, so it caused some real issues late in the game.  I get pretty non happy when we have somebody who doesn't listen at all to anybody else.

I'm not saying that that loss was all Peters fault.  I know that I played poorly (toward the end of the first game I started to get a real fun sinus headache, so I was somewhat out of it).  But the part where we had a free baron after taking mid inhib already, but lost it (and gave it to you plus a double kill) because Peter was slow farming mid was...unfortunate.

on Apr 25, 2013

Re: Karl

I was playing shitty too... but a lot of that had to do with my real fun PeterDumpTruck headache.  The Peter frustration level got unbearable and it really affects my game when someone is... ugh, being Peter.

I used to find him amusing but not any more.  I mean, it makes my blood pressure go up when I even just spectate friends playing with him now.

 

Re: Pacov

That was I think maybe... my second time playing LeBlanc?  First time was a bot game a year ago.

Hedgie and I were messing around with that combo, not because we thought you guys had a much weaker team but because... well, when Peter is playing who gives a fuck? Maybe he plays like someone with 3000 games as Malzahar and actually contributes?  Maybe he gets caught and gives his team shit about not taking advantage of it... like the opposing team blowing a couple CDs to instagib him is some huge opportunity we failed to take advantage of... and team morale drops through the floor?  Maybe someone convinces the other team to take him, then bans the only champ he can play and the game is over in champ select?

So yeah... You don't know what's gonna happen when he's in the game, so why take things seriously was my mindset.

 

on Apr 25, 2013

lb/quinn:

We do think it is a legit comp, and plan on playing it in ranked once Quinn gets buffed. It wasn't meant to be offensive/etc. (Was your AD thresh supposed to be offensive? Playing Ryze that one random inhouse game?)

We played that comp for the same reason Curse played Jungle Fizz in LCS - sometimes the best time to try new things is in competitive scenes where not a lot is at stake (eg, Peter is playing the game). 

 

And it clearly worked - Karl came down twice before level 6, and 3 times afterwards. The bottom lane was effectively 3v2 for the first 10 minutes of the game (Karl first level 6 gank was @ 8:40). i was 40-60 CS ahead of you most the game.

The reason the lane went sour was a few reasons.

1- we should have gotten a pink after first kill (pink wards setup the 2nd gank, me not checking bush with W with the lane gank was bad)

2- i had a bad build (should have gone double dorans instead of Vamp)

3- Karl camp  

4- a few bad exchanges (haven't played Quinn or even ADC in awhile, there was that one time i went stupid and chased you around - to be fair i was a Zeal ahead of you but i think i missed my blind/your axes just fell on top of you/your BT was fully stacked from champ kills but mine was 0/something silly)

5- i think i spammed a little too much mana after we first blooded you. i should have tried to stay out in lane longer to get more of a level advantage

on Apr 26, 2013

didn't get a chance to read all of the previous comments prior to my last - i check out tomorrow and thx for the feedback.

So, I'm going to watch the replays from the games tonight and either yell at people some more, start a conversation, or admit I was an asshole.  Wait and see the exciting pacov conclusion.  Prob won't get to watch until after work tomorrow.

anyway, thanks for the in house games.  short summary from the pacov pov is that i lost all games tonight.  2 likely due to awful pacov performance and 1 (Currently my opinion) due to bad calls and poor communication.  Anyway, you can, but don't need to respond to that.  I honestly can't defend my stance in any way until I get chance to watch the vids.  Night and thx again for the games. 

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