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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on May 18, 2013

Hey Pacov, since LoL is your main game I'm wondering if you're trying to go for tournaments. LoL is the biggest E-Sport right now and has the most money. You and your team who have played for so long surely wants to participate in one of those big tournaments ey?

on May 18, 2013

I think I am going to take an extended leave of absence from league again. I got up to 96 LP before losing like a million games in a row. I hate this meta, I hate trolls, I hate DCing people, I hate getting counter picked. I don't know how I am supposed to take this game seriously when you have to rely on people. The meta doesn't suit my play style at all either because of the type of champions that are insanely popular. Kha, kassidan, zed, fizz, and ahri all counter my favorite mid champions. 

on May 18, 2013

The complete and utter dominance of caitlyn bot lane is pretty atrocious right now as well. If you see caitlyn lock in on the other team you might as well leave because your bot lane is going to get completely annihilated. 

on May 18, 2013

It also doesn't matter one bit how well you lane vs those fucking gimmicky all in champions. You can not give up a kill to them in lane but it doesn't matter because they roam bot and top and no matter how many times you ping or call mia the retard bot or top will sit there and keep farming then fucking die. 

on May 18, 2013

I feel like cow had a rough night... sorry bro. 

 

on May 18, 2013

OMG_ZEX
The complete and utter dominance of caitlyn bot lane is pretty atrocious right now as well.

1 out of your last 10 games had a cait in it.  And your last game you went as soraka w/ kog vs cait/nami.  You apparently became enraged and got both sword of the occult and meija on sork... so you trolled after you wanted to murder your adc for farming out a late game carry.  That kog sucks w kog per stats and should have gone ez based on win %, though. 

Anyway, it blows say, but the more difficult it is, the greater the feeling of accomplishment when you hit plat.  Getting to gold was extremely frustrating for me (or even take karl who was constantly getting fugged in his promo matches).  Feels pretty good to finally hit your goal.  Hopefully you take a short break and then decide to stick with it.  Anyway, best of luck when you do get back to it.  Hoping to see you hit plat!  Sorry you've been having a shit time with things lately. 

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Hey Pacov, since LoL is your main game I'm wondering if you're trying to go for tournaments. LoL is the biggest E-Sport right now and has the most money. You and your team who have played for so long surely wants to participate in one of those big tournaments ey?

Nah - not really.  I'm certainly an enthusiast of the game and really enjoy it, but we don't have a dedicated team that would practice, etc.  We just have a bunch of pals of varied skill levels that get together on a regular basis to play.  I'm certainly not looking to put together a tourney of sorts at this time.  I'd be really excited to play on a dedicated team, but we've found that it just doesn't pan out for long.  We'll get a bunch of us together and play several games together as ranked 5's.  Then eventually someone will flake out for whatever reason.  There are only a few of us, imo, that would be willing and able to meet regularly to practice and play ranked 5s.  Not really worth the effort imo.  So, I just stick with what we all enjoy doing - which is typically playing in house games against each other when possible, playing normal games against other folks, or duoing in ranked games. 

on May 18, 2013

It's nice to know that if I ever escape silver, I have the same retarded pool of players to look forwards to at gold.

 

Not that I'll ever escape silver, I have one win in my match history...

on May 18, 2013

re: Ashe

 

i do agree that Zeal-first is a good way to build Ashe/Kog (this is what Genja does - though Genja isn't the best ADC imo, he is one of the few who plays Ashe in tournaments).

The key part is after the Zeal, you should go IE, then finish your Zeal into a SS. 

PD first is really never a good idea. PD is a multiplicative item... it gives AS, and Crit% which both are multiplicative stats off of AD (and eachother). 1*2 == 2 (PD), but 1 + 2 == 3 (BT). Then, (1 + 2) * 2 == 6 (BT + PD). SS at least has the base damage with its passive (there are some people who build SS first on Vayne since she has no AoE + helps her burst + scales off of AS well if you max W.. even if that isn't the best idea). 

SS is generally better for objective control + pushing, plus the early teamfight burst does help. PD is better for raw damage, in particular if you're someone who has a really good AD steroid (like Draven). 

 

i generally disagree with Crit damage runes. They are... really weak runes. Just looking at Crit damage reds, they are 2.23%. Standard flat AD are, of course, ~1 AD. If you're at 63 AD (about what you'd have with a dorans blade, but pure Crit), each AD rune increases your damage by ~1.5%. 

Not only does that increase your non-crit damage, it also affects your Volley, your last hits... everything. So 1.5% per rune (at low levels, it scales down to like 0.5% super late game) all the time, versus ~2% for your first shot every time you come back to lane, +2 damage on your SS procs and 2% * crit% the rest of the time. 

 

Don't think it's worth it.

Kha, kassidan, zed, fizz, and ahri all counter my favorite mid champions. 

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20056890#ranked-stats

Janook is making it work. He mains Lux, plays a lot of Ziggs. Some Brand, Syndra, some TF. Those are your style of champs.

 

Lux/Ziggs/Syndra/Brand are all about drawing lanes... you really play them for the farm anyway. Your range + damage poke means you are constantly at a slight advantage - it's hardly unfair that if they do get close to you that you lose the duel.

And, since your champions like to sit there and farm, it seems kinda naive to whine that they aren't just sitting there and farming with you. Esp as melees. What they are supposed to take burning pillars for free all laning phase?

 

Kass is pretty much bullshit though, i agree.

But, do you build Merc's against Kass so you can actually retaliate after the silence?

Do you use Barrier against Fizz? 

Do you rush Zhonyas against Zed since it cancels his ult? (Or ban him because he wsa OP as fuck for awhile -.- )

 

If people are roaming (Kha'zix with Mobility boots is a terror), are you at least trying to take tower? Or you just farming wraiths?

Why do you have a runepage with AP/lvl yellows and MP5 blues? Why are you not using MP5 yellows and AP/lvl blues. You're giving up stats for no gain. (though obviously MP5 blues makes sense if you're using Armor yellows in an AD lane).

Why are you using AP/lvl quints when they are worse until level 12? And you only gain 2.74 AP @ 18? If you're using these runes, why would you expect to win an all-in anyway? 

 

You're more than welcome to criticize me as "retaliation" if you want. 

on May 18, 2013

@Cow:

You have platinum talent... but not a platinum attitude.  I don't mean that in a derogatory fashion mostly cause I admire that you don't hop on the hipster bandwagon and play whatever champ is the OP flavor of the month.  I think it's awesome that you've almost got to plat playing champs like Ziggs!

But...

You have to accept that attitude is going to give you a disadvantage against equally skilled opponents who are willing to learn how to play the current T1 champs and their counters.  When you're first pick and grab an obscenely OP champ, it's like having a 4th ban right?  Instead... your team gets Brand.  A good champ, that you have a good win percentage with... but not anything that's gonna make the other team have to bend over backwards to counter.

Also I think your perception of so many champions in this game being broken gimps you.  Honestly, do you try and figure out how to adjust your game around problematic counters or do you just get mad about how Ahri is bullshit?

on May 18, 2013

awuffleablehedgie
i generally disagree with Crit damage runes. They are... really weak runes. Just looking at Crit damage reds, they are 2.23%. Standard flat AD are, of course, ~1 AD. If you're at 63 AD (about what you'd have with a dorans blade, but pure Crit), each AD rune increases your damage by ~1.5%.

I'm not sure if I agree with the overall math here or not.  I start out criting for 241% (36% runes, 5% mastery) off a kind of low base (60-70 ad).  So, with my 1 guaranteed crit, I do close to 190-200 dmg unless I'm mucking the math including armor mitigation.  Without the bonus damge, I'd be doing 160 or so (factoring normal base armor).  So, that's 30-40 extra dmg immediately at level 1 on a champ that is good at kiting.  And the potential for damage only goes up.  If I have 100 ad, with the 241% bonus, I'd be doing 330 or so dmg after armor.  Without, I'd be doing 290 of so.  200 ad + 241% = 670.  200 ad + 200% = 600.  Anyway, that's like an extra 70 dmg on a hit... and it only gets more strong with IE.  I still believe its a silly setup because of course, early/mid, I'm not criting on every shot.  But mid/late, I'm criting quite a bit with always having potential to hit. 

re: SS - I'm still kind of like smeh.  Ash doesn't have a pushing problem with voley.  And having pd encourages me to be closer to the enemy and having more chase kill potential.  I'm likely only going to proc ss during laning like once.  Anyway, for how I'm playing, I think PD is better and would result in more kills.  Could just be a playstyle thing.  I'll give ss a go and adapt and try that out. 

on May 19, 2013


sometimes when the adc announces he's going bot to clear a huge wave, I wait 20 seconds and then initiate. Then, I lecture the adc about going bot to clear because we lost the engage - pacov 2013

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2303376

Please look at the timer on our baron buff.

on May 19, 2013



Quoting pacov, reply 3267
sometimes when the adc announces he's going bot to clear a huge wave, I wait 20 seconds and then initiate. Then, I lecture the adc about going bot to clear because we lost the engage - pacov 2013

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2303376

Please look at the timer on our baron buff.

Did that replay also show how we didn't initiate, like you claim?

When we play as a team, we should play as a team.  Not as PACOV THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS and 4 other guys.

We had baron plus an exposed inhib.  We had  5 (nearly) grouped mid.  Yet, your call was to have 80% of the team go sit under a tower and accomplish nothing and get no gold, while one INDIVIDUAL on the team gets a moderate amount of gold (maybe 400).

That is an incredibly selfish call.  To expect your whole team to sit around while the 0/4 carry farms while we have baron and an open inhib is simply selfish play, not to mention a bad call.  I mean, you are counting on Peterdumptruck playing support with no escapes to not do something stupid while you farm.  Especially since they had very strong engages, and we had very weak disengages (making it prohibitively difficult to prevent them from engaging on us).  Good bet there.

I honestly don't get it.  We talk over and over and over and over about how grouping wins games.  We talk about how it is so difficult to win when they are grouped and we are split, especially when we have guys like peterdumptruck who sometimes have difficulties making the right choice in split push situations.  Yet you repeatedly choose to ungroup.  I just don't understand that.

on May 19, 2013

whole team was not there.  I made a clear call.  team advanced.  karl + team ignored.  its not selfish to take cs when nothing is at risk and nothing can be lost... there was no tower we'd lose, no baron we'd lose... absolutely nothing we could lose.  Our mid wasn't even there at the time.  Only way we have a problem is if we push.  Let's just clarify.  Karl - your adc runs away for whatever reason (dick move/smart move/fuck you move).  Wise to push without him?  I assume we agree.  If you disagree there, well great.  You don't need to continue this discussion and consider logic as a factor.  So if folks continue to push WITHOUT the adc AND the mid... well... I'm not sure how your reach your conclusion, but I'd think that wasn't the adc's fault.  I don't think its a difficult thing to imagine a world where we don't push for 25 additional second and then all group mid and push... and what with science on our side via voice chat, I'm struggling to understand where the confusion lies... outside of you in voice in chat. 

Let me go a step further.  If there is no possible loss to the team (no objective lost), and an objective is completely free (cs), then I see a big problem with rushing into a potentially disastrous situation with a potential loss on our side.  Take the immediate win communicated clearly by voice chat (CLEARLY BY VOICE CHAT) and then regroup.  If I wandered off when we were all grouped and baron buff was about to drop, well, that would have been a jerk move.  If I clearly communicated that i was going to clear bot and the team pushed forward without the adc or mid...well... your gripe shouldn't be with me.  Wish you'd have gotten on board with the "hey guys - back off" bandwagon instead of arguing with my call. 

on May 19, 2013

its not selfish to take cs when nothing is at risk and nothing can be lost... there was no tower we'd lose, no baron we'd lose... absolutely nothing we could lose. 

We lose at ~1 minute of baron while an INDIVIDUAL on the team gets a moderate amount of gold.  The other 80% of the team has to huddle under a tower because they can't do anything, meaning they almost certainly lose gold that they would have gotten had we played as a team.  I'd say that your move broke even if you consider TEAM gold (rather than just your own), while we lost a lot of baron time.

This is incredibly selfish thinking again.  You don't even pause to consider that if you leave the team, 80% of the team can do absolutely nothing (or worse, get caught and almost lose the game).

Wise to push without him?  I assume we agree.  If you disagree there, well great.  You don't need to continue this discussion and consider logic as a factor.

Have you ever played with Peterdumptruck?

Anybody who has played with him knows that "wise" does not apply.  You are trusting PETERDUMPTRUCK WITH NO ESCAPES to play perfectly in a difficult 4v5 situation where they have strong engages, and we have no real way of disengaging.

If there is no possible loss to the team (no objective lost), and an objective is completely free (cs), then I see a big problem with rushing into a potentially disastrous situation with a potential loss on our side.

Once again, completely selfish thinking.  You don't even pause to consider how you screw over the rest of your team when you leave the group.  The rest of the team can now do absolutely nothing and can get no gold/xp.  But hey, PACOV can get some bonus gold, and thats all that matters.

So we lose gold/xp on 80% of the team and a good chunk of the baron timer.  Thats a substantial loss to the team.

 

I also don't think that it was nice to call out Chaos there repeatedly.  You knew that I wasn't the one who got caught there (as you say in chat).  I wasn't anywhere near the fight since I ran.  But you keep blaming everything on him, and you dumped on him quite about, including in this thread.  I think thats not so nice since he didn't say anything negative, and hadn't taken any shots at you even while you struggled a bit.

on May 19, 2013

over exaggerating the situation clearly shown in the vid.  up to you if you don't want to focus on what happened and start going on about "calling out" folks.  right call based on me going bot and mid not being with the team was push...right...  I maintain going bot wasn't a bad call and you should, at some point, agree with it being idiotic to push mid based on circumstances.  Seems silly to not do so...

side note - for anyone wondering, we won this game btw.

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