Re: Jayce vs Irelia

She's definitely a counter to him and in fact, that's who I play when the other team picks him and I have to go top.  Jayce is pretty OP, so I'd only pick Irelia over him normally unless Karl doesn't want me to pick a top with someone with a gap closing slow, and knock back, a group speed booster, and a long range finishing ability because he's hard to gank for and doesn't have any CC.

Re: Naut Critique 

You should play a ranked game with him because:

- If you duo with someone with lower MMR, you'll be first pick and can not ban him and you'll have first pick him.

- Your Normal Game MMR is probably not as good as your ranked... probably not even close.  If you want a useful critique from Karl and Hedgie, you don't want low level allies and opponents throwing the game out of whack.

I thought you were only supposed to bust my balls thunder.  Poor karl. 

That's probably true, but not as much as you'd think.  I only get put against super scrub teams (or so I've observed anyway) when my team has a bronze fellow with us. 

Jayce isn't OP.  He is at just under 50% winrate overall in ranked, and at just under 50% winrate in Diamond despite being highly played.  OP champions are going to generally be at least a bit over 50% if they are heavily played.

I don't care much about who you pick from a ganking perspective.  If you pick somebody who doesn't support ganks well, I will generally just not gank for you much since my time could be better spent elsewhere.  That's fine.

While Jayce is very strong in lane, I think that he is very much a "win lane, lose game" champion unless the whole team is willing to play very specific styles.  Essentially, the team has to give up much of their front line, their CC, and their ability to put pressure on specific champions in the enemy backline in order to accommodate a top whose contribution to late game teamfights is basically to poke and be a mediocre ADC (despite getting the superior resources of a solo lane).

Now, if you play a game with lots of scrambling around and split pushing, Jayce is great.  But, the default playstyle for most teams is to win by teamfight, which is not Jayce's strength.  I also object when people pick Jayce late and I've already locked somebody in who doesn't work with Jayce's very particular playstyle.  I mean, if I've locked in WW and somebody takes Jayce, I'm generally not thrilled.

Jayce is also good with specific champions in other lanes.  For example, if you have Cho mid, Jayce is fine since Cho basically makes up for Jayce's glaring deficiencies.

Assuming that Riot knows how to do math (and that Pacov isn't getting carried in ranked), the MMRs should be about to same.  If anything, the relative normal MMR should be higher if pacov hasn't converged to his "actual" ranked MMR yet (since he has played more normal games than ranked).

One number might be higher than the other since I'm not totally sure that the who MMRs are calibrated in the same way, but he should be playing around the same quality of opponents.

I would guess that there is more variability in the quality of his opponents though because he is probably willing to play with a larger range of teammates in normal.

Suggestions:

First of all, you have to understand your specific jungler's purpose.  There is a lot more variability in what specific junglers do than ADCs.

People play Naut in jungle for 2 main reasons:

1) He can do quite a bit with minimal xp/gold (very important in jungle)

2) He ganks well

For this reason, your play with Naut should probably focus on ganks, not on farming or counter jungling.

This comes up in several specific ways.  First, you generally spend WAY too much time clearing low value camps.  Seriously, stop clearing wraiths so much.  Wraiths should only be cleared if you have nothing else to do, or if you are playing a jungler that requires you power level to 6 or something.

With jungler like Naut, your early clear should probably default to something along the lines of wolves->blue->red then gank repeatedly at 3.  You should only go back to camps if there are no lanes to gank at the moment.

You should also almost always be grouped starting in the mid game.  Naut can't do anything useful on his own.  He doesn't duel well, he doesn't split push well, he doesn't counter jungle, he doesn't solo dragons.  Naut is simply terribly inefficient doing pretty much anything on his own, so be with teammates as much as possible, especially in the mid game.  Yeah, you are going to have less gold/xp because you don't solo farm.  But you aren't an ADC.  You are a Naut.  The whole point of selecting that champ is that you are still good without gold/xp, so you can help your teammates get their gold instead of spending time farming it yourself.

I'm off to bed, but I'll check all that out tomorrow, karl.  Thx for the feedback.  Be happy to have you critique a specific game in the near future so I have good frame of reference.

Anywho, I apparently can edit vids again.  I edited that ash vid I made re: her new/old passive and posted on reddit.  The vid was like 9 minutes and I think I trimmed it down to 3 min with only relevant info (so so edits). Anyway, take a look over here if interested.  Night all!

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1fotni/anyone_interested_in_a_short_vid_covering_the/

That's a good tip.  I do like to try to rush to 6 with him for his ult, but I could very, very likely skip wraiths a bunch to move more quickly onto ganks.  Will try to gank a bit more.  I'm currently not getting my hook until level 4 because I'm typically aggressively farming up until that point.  Not sure if I should continue that until 4 or change it up and get it at level 3.  His ganks are pretty lackluster until you have that hook. 

hmm... maybe.  I'll give that a go.  The only real problem I see with ganking at level 3 is getting countered in my jungle shortly after the gank.  Level 4 is kind of a sweet spot for naut imo. 

Well.. yes and no.  I agree that him having a useful kit even with no items, etc, is clearly a strength - but, 9/10 games when I play naut, I'm playing support tank, getting aegis and typically at least 1 more team item.  Farming here and there make those things happen more quickly.  I'm certain I should spend some additional time trying to gank though, so I'll try to move away some from farming.

Pacov and Hedgie on same team=2 plats on other team and Bryff gets absolutely destroyed.  I think that when we do normal teams the elo goes waaay up.

Other things I just thought of - pacov = scumbag pacov.  2 times I invite swan to a game last night.  2 times, 1 almost immediately after he reminded me, I invite him to play with someone he's not pals with.  ><.  I very much dislike being so dense sometimes.  Side note - I left the 2nd game I hosted and was going to rehost with folks to your liking mr swan.  Anyway, my apologies.  Pretty freaking lame. 

Other stuff - holy crap did my lol start going batshite crazy last night in my last game.  It took me about 3-4 minutes to join a game after like 5-8 attempts to get in.  First, lol crashes at load screen. 2nd crashes on relaunch.  3rd frozen when loading, 4th loads me to the game but I can't move... 5th crash.. 6th loads and things are normal.  Nothing changed on my side between the previous game and the super crash one... other than hunny pissing me off.  smeh.

Anyway, root cause is either something goofy with my lol installation (doubt it), something with LSI (probable), something with LoLReplay (probable), or something with using both LoLReplay + LSI.  Both LSI and LoLReplay hook into LoL in some way, so its quite likely trying to run both at the same time makes the world end.  Having weird stuff with LoLReplay prior to crap.  So, I install LoLreplay with the air fix.  Great - I have zero crashes and it looks like its working.  BUT - something seems up with the replays and I can't watch them even though it seems to be fine.  I undo the air fix and now Lolreplay appears to be behaving fine - appears to be... but then my game goes nuts towards the end of the night with crashes.

Not really sure if there's a good solution.  I'll probably just uninstall both LoLreplay and LSI.  smeh

Getting countered in your jungle means somebody steals your buff camps.  If they just steal wraiths or something like that, you don't care.  Seriously.  If they come into your jungle and all they get is a small camp or two, they have wasted their own time that could have been spent doing something much more productive.  Small camps just aren't worth enough to worry about.  So you only need to worry about blue/red, which are gone by then.

The reason essentially every ganking jungler goes at 3 is because of how the xp is distributed in jungle.  Most of it is tied to buff camps (see above), so the jungler will be the first person to hit level 2 and the first to hit level 3, but solo lanes catch and pass you at about level 4.

This means that if you gank at level 3, you can be ganking solo lanes that are still level 2 (meaning they are missing one of their 3 skills).  And if you go to the solo lanes, you can often catch them still at level 1.  If you wait until 4, you will be even in levels generally.

I don't consider myself an easy-to-temper person... but my exroomate (vizard) does it to me.  We are pals in real life... I just can't play normals with him.  I made it easier just closing league, 'cause I don't want to be the source of any drama. Haha... hope to play with you guys tonight.

That provides some good perspective.  So let me ask you this.  Let's say I'm on blue side.  My top laner is in decent shape and we have about a 50-60% chance of pulling off a kill.  My red spawns and I see the enemy jungler go near my red. If, for instance If I'm about 5 seconds away from top, would you go through with the gank or protect your buff?  I'm trying to get a good feeling for this sort of thing as I'm always pissed if I happen to be away from my buff and I'm worried about it getting picked off. 

i dn´t know  what i can answear to you pac, i´m in portugal when i send a message to you and you was off, is just because the time zone is diferent and i was with hope you read and do the same answear to me any time you go there if i was on or off just that not to pissy you really and sorry if i ask anything wrong.

k streaming - about to try to out mr karls suggestions.

rui - I'll contact you soon.

Don't feel bad, I've been getting my ass handed to me in top lane last few times queuing up with Hedgie/Cow/Karl last night... like seriously demolished every time.  

Re: Pacov's MMR

I'm at a lower level of Ranked than you are and I find the competition much tougher than in Normals.  Maybe it's people just tryharding more or the fact that I don't ever try out things like Support Urgot in ranked, but it certainly feels like there is a significant difference in the MMR between the two.  I just assume it's the same for you as well, so I think your Naut spectate game should be ranked if you want to get the most out of everyone's critiques.

Re: Karl

I get your perspective and I can't say that you're wrong... but maybe this will help you see mine:

Say you end up going top in a game, something you're far from specialized in.  You want to go with Cho cause he's a safe laner with whom you're very familiar with and you know the basic matchups against most top laners.  You're not going to snowball your lane and rule the game after, but you're not going to feed and you are going to get your farm and be a positive asset to your team later on.

But no.  Hedgie is telling you that we need an AD DPS champ, not an AP Tank top lane because of something about Dive Comps vs Poke Comps vs AOE Comps when the Koreans played against the Chinese...

So yeah, you play a champ that you played a few times before that fits your team comp better and supposedly counters your opponent's top lane choice... and hopefully goes better than last time you tried him... but it doesn't and you feed hard and the Rene you were going against gets out of control and your team loses because of you.

Do you really want to hear someone talk about the champ you originally wanted to play being a "Win Lane Lose Game" champ?

Karl, you're a great jungler and I'm great as a support... in our separate roles we have a fantastic selection of champs and can match our team's comp and counter the opponents.  When we go to lanes we're not as familiar with, we have to just do the best we can and for me that means picking Jayce.  The reason I like him is because he's hard to counter, he's a safe laner, and he doesn't need the jungler's help to at least get his farm if the lane goes to shit for some reason.  I know all too well what you mean about him being "win lane/lose game" but I look at it more of a win lane but can only carry so hard sort of thing.  I don't think you've ever played with a good Jayce (not that I am or ever will be a good Jayce... but I can dream) and I think your perspective of the champ and his late game potential suffers because of it.  He's not a fucking AD version of Nunu so just get that thought out of your head.

Its impossible to carry a game that your teammates are all doing terrible in with Jayce, but if I win my lane and if everyone else is just doing okay to slightly bad... then we will probably win and that's a fine result for me when playing outside of my comfort roles in Ranked... which is my focus nowadays.

I get that you feel frustrated in team comps that are too squishy when you're the only real tank, but me playing champs that I'm bad at doesn't really make the game much funner does it?  Next time we play together, maybe I should jungle and you go top?  Because otherwise I'm going to play Jayce because that's who I think should be my go to top laner... unless you have some other suggestions on what should be my go to guy?  Can you teach me to play Cho?

rui