I added some tags on the youtube page for those that are interested and updated some of the categories.  You can find past in house games and full game vids on the front page.  Take a look if that's something you like watching from time to time:  http://www.youtube.com/user/LeagueOfPacov

Holy crap, that curse vs tsm game was crazy.  Curse had lost a nexus (with the other nexus tower at half) and TSM was up 5 dragons and 8-2 in towers.  And somehow Curse turned it around.  Funny as hell.

Terrible guide.  It recommends you start with machete and 5 pots.

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Nocturne 

As you can see here, every loss with Nocturne had people starting with machete and 5 pots.  Obviously a bad starting choice of items because Diamond+ players occasionally lose with them, like they sometimes lose when buying Aegis.

The SK vs Fnatic game was amazing.

anyone have vod links to the games you are referring to?  Not sure if it was best of 3 and its game 2, etc.  thx.

If your sarcasm makes me say wtf if he trying to say, you are doing it wrong.  Probably shouldn't be doing it at all at this point... thanks for the quality feedback at least.

I'm touched you finally acknowledged me at the end of your stream!

longest thought filled post pacov has made on the internet accidentally deleted.  fml. 

Shortest summary with little to no context begins - swan/brad wong - bust my balls a little in game due to f-ups, fine.  Bust my balls repeatedly for 20 minutes - kindly go fuck off.  Seriously - fuck off.  2nd - hedgie - really like him - he busts my balls accordingly but is also great at helping me calm the fug down and think out how to improve as a player.  No one else I know does that.  3rd - thunder - enough of your passive aggressive bullshit please.  I had the longest section about this, but the short version is that you very often bust my balls on the forum and are a kind fellow when we talk.  Be consistent.  Not a fan of pointless ball busting posts when you could be helpful as a pal.  You are a really solid player and I'd be so much better if I had any actual feedback instead of bullshit posts like this:

Would love if you tried to be more of a pal and less of this.  I'll still post to my silly little blog without you.  I'm sure you can find something else to do if the best you can offer is jabs at me.  Would really prefer for your feedback.  Bust my balls accordingly, but please offer more useful stuff as well. 

I'm not sure about the specific numbers or if Riot released that information.  I'd suggest googling "how many reports needed to get a ribbon" and see what you get.

I build thresh roughly the same way when I'm using him as a support regardless of lane opponent.  Here's a support card for thresh

Ok then - onto the topic of triaging a lane.  We had some decent discussion re: this after our last game and I wanted to reiterate some of my thoughts/what folks said and then see if anyone has some additional feedback. 

Triage in LoL - Definition

The actual definition of triage is the following: "the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors."  In league of legends, when we say triage, we mean that a jungler/mid should cease actively ganking a lane for a period of time.  The reason for a call like this is because we believe that a particular lane will not produce results (due to arse whooping most likely) and that ganks would be better focused on other lanes that are doing well or have a much higher percent chance of producing results.  I think the way we use the term is a bit of a fallacy, though.  It's a quick way of saying I'm not going to be ganking your lane - you are on your own; however, triage really means prioritization.  I'm going to prioritize another lane in favor of your lane due to circumstances.  In that case, triage is really the active process of being a jungler.  The jungler prioritizes objectives based on lane status, etc.  So, having said and thought through that, we'd actually be better off not saying "triage bot lane" as that doesn't make consistent sense with the definition (even though we all have a basic shared understanding of what is meant by that statement). 

Considerations for No Longer Ganking a Lane

So, moving away from calling for a "triage," I think we should some about reasons for stopping actively ganking for a lane.  And I'd like to add that everything in the post is really me trying to improve as a jungler and think more about prioritization and also think through instances where someone else might call for no more ganks on a lane.  I also want to add that I'm intentionally trying to move away from the term triage as that, as illustrated in our game last night, meant something a bit different to me than it did to karl.  So - 1st thing, I don't think we should ever take ceasing gank support of a lane lightly.  It would be best if we had some set criteria for making a decision to triage.  Here are my thoughts.

• Statistics - while you typically know if a lane is going poorly for someone, pressing tab often reveals the extent of the problem. 
• Visual information - when you glance over the map, you see the ward locations along with their timers, the current health of the champions in combat, etc.  These are all queues that should influence whether or not to move in for a gank
• Verbal information - players can ask for assistance or request that the jungler dedicates their time elsewhere. 

Here are some additional considerations:

• How successful do you believe a gank will be based on the information?
• If a bot lane is struggling, is your presence, even if not ganking but simply threatening, worth the time to camp?
• Can the lane hold the tower without jungle assistance?
• What objectives will be lost without jungle assistance?
• What does the team stand to gain due to jungle assistance?
• And last - visible jungle presence in a lane often results in the enemy jungle/mid making an appearance to support the laners when the jungler has been seen.  A jungler's precence helps and hurts in this aspect.

One of the things I had a problem with last night was when karl called for a triage of bot lane.  I'm working on my jungle skillset and karl's a good jungler, so I say OK - triaged.  Which in my mind meant (at the time) no ganks - focus attention elsewhere.  This is a poor decision on my part. Had I interpreted his request as simply prioritize other lanes instead of write off his lane, things would have probably gone MUCH better.  Additionally, playing this way lost us blue buff/dragon control (karl was not in a position to get out and ward due to the pressure on bot lane) and was just riddled with misplays by me.

Here's what I'm still trying to figure out.  In that game in particular, I still think it might have been wise for me to have more of a presence bot lane either via camping a bit or just routinely tossing out pink wards here and there.  I think that's how I should have played it.  re: camping - I think that also would have been beneficial for the bot lane to remove some pressure here and there.  Instead, I exuded zero pressure bot lane during the laning phase which I think was pretty detrimental.  Anyway, that said, I should have had a stronger presence overall and made better decisions like rushing aegis for the team. 

Anyway, all I have time to write about now.  Any thoughts or feedback?

That is the way I've been trying to be a pal to you. 

Karl has forgotten more about jungling than I'll ever know and Hedgie is a wealth of knowledge on every intricacy of this game and I don't have anything better than what they have to say as advice goes.  When you completely dismiss what they tell you, I sometimes use ridiculous sarcasm in an attempt to help break through your stubborn refusal to see the reason in their arguments.  It's a shame that it comes across to you as me acting like a two-faced prick, but the truth is that it is the only way I know to attempt to get through to you.

Want me to put aside the sarcasm and "passive aggressive bullshit"?  Fine.

You're not a stupid person, so are you putting on an act and playing games with the people who are sincerely trying to help you become a better jungler?

Pacov: "Nocturne doesn't build Aegis"

Hedgie: "Well, here is a list of recent pro nocturne games where they did build it."

Now you have the option here of admitting you were mistaken, and that Aegis is SOMETIMES a viable item choice for Nocturne... but instead you take the stances that:

-When a pro doesn't build an Aegis on Nocturne in ONE game, that pro believes that you should NEVER build one on him.

-When a pro loses a game with Aegis, that indicates building Aegis on Nocturne at least had something to do with the loss.

My sarcastic comment about the jungler guide you posted was simply an attempt to help you realize how silly the second conclusion was and how putting too much stock into whether a pro won or lost a game after buying a certain item leads to inaccurate beliefs.

Message received.  Wish you all the best in your future endeavors... 

One last thing, I'd like to leave you part of the definition of Passive Aggressive Behavior I looked up:

"Passive-aggressive may also refer to a person who refuses to acknowledge their own aggression (in the sense of "agency"), and who manages that denial by projecting it. This type of person insists on seeing themselves as the blameless victims in all situations."

as someone who worked in wildlife rehabilitation for a few years, it surprises me sometimes that people don't actually know what "triage"means. 

You have your patients that have a 0% chance of recovery.

You have your patients who have a low-medium chance of recovery with a lot of work (but will die/be crippled otherwise)

You have your patients with a high chance of recovery with a lot of work (but will die/be crippled otherwise)

You have your patients with a high chance of recovery with medium work (but will die/be crippled otherwise)

You have your patient that are are only mildly afflicted - it wouldn't take a lot of work to "recover" them but even if you neglect them entirely they'll survive.

This system was developed because medics have limited time and resources. Stonewall, however, is the one who came off with "triage" is more equal to "amputate". "You should amputate top lane because it is totally lost".

(btw: i really don't like a lot of Stonewall. i think he is a pessimistic player who writes a lot of anti-teamwork commentary that other people use to justify their actions. i think "triage" is one of those things)

The analogy also doesn't work in some ways because League isn't "quarantined" like a hospital. If you don't deal with "Patient 0" the Zombie Apocalypse will spread. Additionally, camping lanes that are already slightly ahead/drawn to get them fed ... well that analogy doesn't work with "triage" either, unless we talk about Steroids. 

One of the big struggles about learning Jungle is that it is really hard to know if you did the right/wrong thing until the game is over. 

Well... fair enough.  I've been feeling pretty dense lately.  I'm sorry that you feel that's the only way you can get through to me.  I sometimes feel like some of your commentary is just kicking a dead horse and not really a useful add.  I suppose I'm singling you out as you are often one of the folks to attempt to or tear me a new one.  I say plenty of rude, douche, ignorant things from time to time.  For that, I expect I'll have my chops busted from time to time.  I deserve it.  I doubt its any consolation that my OP that I foolishly deleted was quite a bit less blunt and much more thoughtful, but it was at any rate.  I overreacted in my short post and should not have started if I didn't have time to explain my thoughts more adequately.  I'm sorry.

yeah - I took it as amputate as I thought that's how karl always used the term (and he was the one asking me to triage bot in that particular game).  Anyway, writing out thoughts in detail helped clear that up for me anyway  

hmmm... that could be.  I don't really like the idea of refusing to support a lane with ganks as jungler either.  Well... unless I'm being a vindictive shit, of course.... which hopefully I'm not doing with you guys when I'm jungling.  I'm thinking we just drop the triage lingo... doesn't really matter that much in my mind now as I've thought through it a bit and if karl called for a triage of a lane, I'd play it differently after all the feedback from the previous game (eg I'd ward for the triaged lane, I might go for a gank based on what I see, etc - I really played that crappy). 

So much crap to learn and think through as a jungler... I'm guessing its a good practice to always ward for lanes that are doing poorly and never FULLY abandon a lane.  I'm just not sure about the best decision.  I've had times where I'm getting wrecked top lane and a jungle assist gets me back into the game. 

I made an audio clip of some of our triage discussion from the end of our last game of the night in case its of interest to anyone - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2507803

A few general comments:

Pacov generally likes to try and come up with hard and fast rules or plans.  This often means sticking to the rules no matter what.  But jungle doesn't really work that way - there might be some general principles, but there are lots of exceptions to everything.

Basically, its about flexible thinking, rather than dogmatic thinking.

When it comes to "abandoning" a lane, this generally means that I won't go for garden variety ganks.  They probably won't result in good outcomes.  But I will still pay attention to what is happening and try and show up if it will be useful (for example, during an ill advised enemy tower dive).

Abandoning a lane also isn't quite as simple as not ganking it.  If you are letting one lane crush, you have to get work done somewhere else.  So this means more ganking elsewhere, or more counter jungling, or something.  It also might mean that the jungler has to take more responsibility with warding.  This last one is pretty common since a crushed lane will usually mean more jungle invading, so you have to defensively ward to protect yourself.