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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Jul 04, 2013

I'm silver 5 division right now whatever the hell that is suppose to mean. Honestly I see the same idiocy in ranked that I see in normal game so I'm just assuming I'm in Elo hell that people talk about.

on Jul 04, 2013

You are indeed.

on Jul 04, 2013

OMG_blackmage

I'm silver 5 division right now whatever the hell that is suppose to mean. Honestly I see the same idiocy in ranked that I see in normal game so I'm just assuming I'm in Elo hell that people talk about.

Well, I feel like I run into fewer lower skilled folks the higher I move up.  You still get the occasional smeh player, but its not that as bad.  I started out bronze I and it was a pain to move up to silver V.  I'd say mostly due to the type of decisions lower level players were making, etc.  Silver can still be a bitch.  Due to the way things are setup, you can't be demoted out of a level (I'm talking level as bronze, gold, silver, etc - not bronze 1, bronze 2, etc) unless you have elo decay.  That means that if you are playing against a bunch of silver V's, it could be folks that just made it silver and are weak players.  Once you get out of that initial setup, its a bit easier imo.  Anyway, good luck if you think you are going to stick with it and try to level up.

on Jul 04, 2013

oh hey - I just noticed.  Custom item sets are back.  Click on profile and then item sets and set some up if youlike.

on Jul 04, 2013



Quoting OMG_blackmage, reply 3634
I'm silver 5 division right now whatever the hell that is suppose to mean. Honestly I see the same idiocy in ranked that I see in normal game so I'm just assuming I'm in Elo hell that people talk about.

Well, I feel like I run into fewer lower skilled folks the higher I move up.  You still get the occasional smeh player, but its not that as bad.  I started out bronze I and it was a pain to move up to silver V.  I'd say mostly due to the type of decisions lower level players were making, etc.  Silver can still be a bitch.  Due to the way things are setup, you can't be demoted out of a level (I'm talking level as bronze, gold, silver, etc - not bronze 1, bronze 2, etc) unless you have elo decay.  That means that if you are playing against a bunch of silver V's, it could be folks that just made it silver and are weak players.  Once you get out of that initial setup, its a bit easier imo.  Anyway, good luck if you think you are going to stick with it and try to level up.

Yea I won't be, LOL bores the hell out of me now. I reinstalled demigod and almost got a match going in mp but eh, I just jumped into sp skirmish after the match failed and was looking like 'wtf are the hot keys again.'  Those two skirmishes reminded me why I loved demigod and miss it so much

 

i mostly play Smite now, and I gave bloodline champions a try but it basically where demigod was in 09-2010. With a much more annoying and non-noob friendly community so I said fuck that shit. Right now only game Smite wouldn't be able to beat for me is demigod

on Jul 05, 2013

Is season 3 done yet? I wish they would only do 2-3 month seasons like SC2 because seasons this long are really boring when you are stuck in gold for life. 

on Jul 05, 2013

Holy crap has it been busy at work this morning... dreams of a world where I'm not on call...

Anyway, synn - sorry you aren't really digging LoL.  Curious why you are forcing yourself to play it at all if it doesn't have any appeal for you now. 

 

on Jul 05, 2013

Hope everyone had a decent 4th of July.  I'm on call for work so I wasn't able to go to any of the nice firework setups, but managed to get together with some pals and light some off yesterday night, so some fun was to be had at least. 

Anyway, I see that spirit udyr isn't expected until, at earliest, some time next week.  I don't really play a heck of a lot of udyr, but I'm going to pick it up.  What's weird to me is that some of you are really impressed with the skin (myself included) and others are like smeh.  I honestly think its one of the best looking skins in the game.  Regardless, everyone and their mother will be playing udyr once the skin comes out for a bit (or just banning him to avoid another crap udyr on their team), so I won't really get a chance to play him outside of custom games.  My udyr jungle is pretty smeh along with my lane udyr, so I'm certainly one of those folks that shouldn't be playing him much.  Karl's the only one I know of us that play regularly that actually has a decent udyr. 

I'm still trying really hard to find my rhythm as a jungler.  Honestly, I feel like I was a doing a little bit better before I started asking for feedback.  I'm trying to incorporate all of the feedback I got and just end up making so so decisions as a result... whereas before I was just making plays. 

Take for instance my xin play.  When I started using him a jungler recently, I was running that boots/pots start strategy.  Now, this is really effective, but absolutely required safely getting blue/red buff.  If either is contested or stolen, the strategy is a failure.  BUT - its a risk/reward gambit.  If its successful, then you can very easily (at least as has been my experience), quickly gank and catch anyone out of top and get yourself and your top laner ahead.  If the approach fails, then you are pretty well gimped in your jungle as the boots start does nothing to help you clear faster... basically you are subject to counter jungle and very unsafe... and you have to back early.  So, you actually lose about 2-3 minutes of time that early ganks would be huge.  If you choose to do a normal start (machete/pots), you are quite safe if you get countered, but your ganking power goes way down.  Instead of a sure fire kill, it becomes I might get a kill... and the enemy jungler will likely also be there.  So, now I'm going back and thinking the boots start might be worth the risk. 

So - any thoughts on that?  Worth it to take a shot that, at least for me, has proven more successful than not, or do a standard setup that still allows for ganks, just not as strong ganks? 

on Jul 05, 2013

Looks like quickfind is working all the way again :

http://quickfind.kassad.in/truesight.scala/na/963529496/DczHEQRBCASwlJqDwYSDzTE279KHqAkqX6RHoYuaUw1tWlOkeZe0L1enhQLGc37OREdnj6s1qpxhv2uucAmSdZzrYhmSaexkge3HXMBDfyDcKuz8

Take a look and click on detailed stats.  Some good, free info.

on Jul 05, 2013


Holy crap has it been busy at work this morning... dreams of a world where I'm not on call...

Anyway, synn - sorry you aren't really digging LoL.  Curious why you are forcing yourself to play it at all if it doesn't have any appeal for you now. 

 

Time killer, and it is not just lol but games in general. I haven't logged into DCUO, SWTOR,Wizadry online, Bloodline champions, Neverwinter, Archblade, Scarlet blade, or even Fallen Enchantress in a while. Games have become boring to me lately.. I guess because of its all repetition of games I've played in the past and ultimately just a different cover. Demigod was the first MOBA I ever played so when I saw it; its was like "This is combing elements from RTS and RPGs...fucking awesome!"

Plus I hate how other moba has the 3 ability and one super ability bullshit. one thing I loved about DG, all my abilities are on the table dammit and if I want to win, I better know how to chain them

on Jul 05, 2013

I'd have loved it if DG had the same sort of treatment as lol - lots of really great characters.  Ah well though.

 

So - I've been recently playing more often with much higher mmr folks than usual.  Its much more typical to see diamonds/plats/golds - not always, ofc, but I'm starting to see more and more.  As such, I'm also starting to see a bigger variety of logical strategies that honestly throws me a bit.  I'll elaborate.

So - list of priorities - base > inhib > tower.  The part that is throwing me playing with these folks (note - while i'm playing jungle primarily) is the decision making on taking towers over objectives like baron and dragon.  And I'll add - i think the folks choosing towers are making a smarter decision... which kind of blows because I'll ping an objective and start for it and folks will just focus on towers.  I guess its a smidge difficult for me to explain without exact reasons.  One game, we had a fed arse rengar.  Guy was playing like a true assassin badass.  Mid tower is down.  Both myself and support are up - everyone else dead.  He and I can't take out dragon based on hp, but could easily take it with rengar.  The rengar hides in a logical spot where at least 1 champ is going to make an appearance soon.  Does get a kill, but the team loses a drag.  Then he goes back to hitting the tower a bit - by this team the enemy team has rallied and dragon is off the table.  I'm wondering if its a selfish move on his part or the best play.  You deny the team dragon money - but you take out someone on their team.  So, odds go to our favor at the cost of an objective.  Anyway, its mostly stuff like that.  The result is often a free tower at the cost of some other objective.  I just haven't fully figured out the logical way to handle things. 

on Jul 05, 2013

streaming some ranked solo queue atm.  Gold IV

on Jul 06, 2013

holy walk in the park batman... so - I play 1 solo queue ranked.  Loss.  Happens.  Then I see karl is on. I get him to play ranked.  I use my alt account that is the same rank as him (silver IV - we both had elo decay it appears).  Anyway, we go 2/1.  The last 2 games were just us stomping - him as jung, me as support (game 1 was loss due to afk/troll).  Karl qualifies for his promo series to silver 3.  I play 1 with vlad afterwards.  He hasn't played his placement matches in season 3.  This is game 1 for him.  We STOMP.  I get nunu jungle and terrorize their gold V shaco.  I literally get to wander around like a jackass and do whatever I want.  I'm countering this, ganking that... we crushed the shaco with jungle control and put him out of the game very quickly.  Bought spirit of the spectral wraith on my 1st shop.  Managed to get blue almost everytime it was up after donating 1 to my mid.  We get a 19 min baron.  Enemy team gives at 20 min. 

So - I know it was weaker oppoents.  Got to say it felt fucking nice to stomp a little, though.  Been a bit since I've crushed.  Nice to have 3 games or so in a row where I'm hitting it out the ballpark.  Oh - last game with karl he went udyr and just fucking destroyed.  I should have the lol replay.  I'll see about uploading for anyone that is interested - he did fucking great. 

on Jul 06, 2013

Here are the replays I mentioned for anyone that is interested.  The 1st replay is karl owning the jungle like a boss in ranked and me being pretty excellent support.  Here's that:  https://www.box.com/s/27ncg8sytacl7rmchni9

The second is also a ranked - its me as nunu jungling with brad wong - https://www.box.com/s/8d56ioxo7g6jhom15wxe

 

Updated the OP with a link to the latest version of LSI (stat overlay).

 

on Jul 06, 2013

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time.  This little list should simply tracking and I'll add it to the OP for anyone else that is interested.

Snapshot updated 7/6/2013

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