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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 15, 2012

Yesterday was utterly frustrating on my Ali account.  Any of my outright pug games were completely excruciating.  Every game I'd ask in the lobby for one ranged AD carry to go bot me with... and every game I got nothing, or ended up with a crappy akali or some melee AD character that was rot.  I'm pretty resolved to only play Ali on that account, so I'm going to play ali, but its just pointless to use him as a support without a ranged ad carry.  The only way I should win in that case is if the other team is total garbage.  Oh, and not a single game where my team had a jungle.  Super lame. 

I did get to have 2 or so games with aragorn towards the end of the night, so that was actually fun at least... still no jungler on the enemy team (or my team if I remember right).  I don't even bother with wards if there is no jungle until later in the game, so I don't really get the full support experience.  Anyway, it was nice to be paired with a ranged ad carry for 2 games of the night. 

on Mar 15, 2012

I thought we generally did well together. Still getting a feel for balancing our aggression levels. The last game, we really should have won, but we didn't have enough CC to stop Poppy/Fiora and Fiora got too fed from weak top lane. If I had been a carry with an attack steroid, life would have been a lot easier. Poppy's late game is so strong. 

on Mar 15, 2012

in the dota2 beta now... downloading now... might fire it up tonight... prob not tho

on Mar 16, 2012

Didn't get around to trying dota2.  Something this weekend for sure. 

Had some fun games with aragorn again though.  Developed a bit of a rhythm with him bot lane.

on Mar 16, 2012

My uncle is currently working on DotA 2...

I'll probably pester him for a key

on Mar 16, 2012

Never really had an interest in trying Heroes of Newerth, but I would probably give DOTA 2 a try, although I never played the original in Warcraft 3.

Good games last night Pacov. Although I think we have yet to properly be tested in bottom lane, we are definitely getting a better idea of each other's playstyles. I have actually rarely played Tristana, so it's quite helpful to practice with her. Her play style synergizes with Ali quite well actually. I think we can really set up some great combos with our knock back potential and my slow. With enough practice, we could peel away someone from team fights as well.

on Mar 16, 2012

AragornV
I think we can really set up some great combos with our knock back potential and my slow. With enough practice, we could peel away someone from team fights as well.

Yeah, I think the one thing we need to get more synergy on is with my knockbacks via headbutt.  We had a few times where I'd pop one up, move into to position to knock em back, and then you'd pounce in as trist only to miss the pounce because I headbutt them back to where you were.  I don't think it cost us any deaths or anything, but getting our timing sorted so I don't headbutt anyone out of your blast off move would be good   I completely agree about not having any real challenge at this point, though. 

on Mar 16, 2012

Here's the match I watched that inspired me to play ali.

M5 is super impressive in this one.

on Mar 18, 2012

I have some thoughts about my ali dreams.. will post later.  That said, found out that you need to have like 16 champs available if u want to play draft mode in normals.

on Mar 19, 2012

So, as I mentioned a little while back, I created a new account that I only play Alistar on.  I did this because I was utter rot with ALI and I was quite confident that I would need alot of practice.  Anyway, I wanted to play ali after I saw that Moscow 5 match I posted the replay of.  In it, ALI was roaming nonstop and functioning as mobile support, mostly for helping the jungler gank.  Anyway, I love the playstyle from that game and wanted to do my best to emulate it.  And now I've reached a conclusion on the whole thing - you can't emulate it in pugs. 

For the combo to work the way it did in the m5 game, you literally need a ranged ad that can hold their own vs a support and an ad carry bottom.  From that alone, imagine how many people would start to complain if you left them vs 2 from the very beginning of the game.  In most cases, that AD carry going solo is going to get pushed and get pushed hard.  Maybe a cait with blue buff could do that... an urgot could.... anyway, you really need to make sure the AD carry (whoever it is) gets blue buff.  And for that, you have to convince both the jungler to give the blue buff to him.  Obviously, most junglers are not a fan of this idea (eg it is the 1st blue buff). 

Anyway, if I magically had a strong AD carry with blue buff and a jungler that was working with me on invades and ganks, we could try it out.  But in reality, I was only playing pugs (and low level ones at that), Most games don't even have a jungler on either team.  Most of the time I'd end up with a melee AD carry bot (side note, ALI and melee AD carries aren't the best combo).  Anyway, after all my efforts, I mostly just ended up playing a hybrid support/tank ali in bot lane.  I'm quite good at using him as a support character, but I won't ever get to try out what I want unless I have have a STRONG ranged AD carry that I know and would be willing to solo bot vs 2 AND a strong jungler that I could work with that has a decent amt of dmg output. 

Anyway, someday maybe I'll figure that out.  In the meantime, I think I'm going to retire my ali training account. 

on Mar 19, 2012

I had quite a bit of success with Tristana and a support Nunu and support Shen on my main account last night. Tristana really is strong early game with a decent setup with your lane partner. It's also really fun forcing people into Nunu's ult with my knockback or stopping multiple people from escaping with a well timed rocket jump. Shen's taunt is also a lot of fun to setup kills. Not to mention setting up a rocket jump, while Shen ults to you for a nasty surprise.

There is a definite advantage to playing an underused champ in solo q.

on Mar 20, 2012

So, as I mentioned a little while back, I created a new account that I only play Alistar on.  I did this because I was utter rot with ALI and I was quite confident that I would need alot of practice.  Anyway, I wanted to play ali after I saw that Moscow 5 match I posted the replay of.  In it, ALI was roaming nonstop and functioning as mobile support, mostly for helping the jungler gank.  Anyway, I love the playstyle from that game and wanted to do my best to emulate it.  And now I've reached a conclusion on the whole thing - you can't emulate it in pugs. 

For the combo to work the way it did in the m5 game, you literally need a ranged ad that can hold their own vs a support and an ad carry bottom.  From that alone, imagine how many people would start to complain if you left them vs 2 from the very beginning of the game.  In most cases, that AD carry going solo is going to get pushed and get pushed hard.  Maybe a cait with blue buff could do that... an urgot could.... anyway, you really need to make sure the AD carry (whoever it is) gets blue buff.  And for that, you have to convince both the jungler to give the blue buff to him.  Obviously, most junglers are not a fan of this idea (eg it is the 1st blue buff). 

Anyway, if I magically had a strong AD carry with blue buff and a jungler that was working with me on invades and ganks, we could try it out.  But in reality, I was only playing pugs (and low level ones at that), Most games don't even have a jungler on either team.  Most of the time I'd end up with a melee AD carry bot (side note, ALI and melee AD carries aren't the best combo).  Anyway, after all my efforts, I mostly just ended up playing a hybrid support/tank ali in bot lane.  I'm quite good at using him as a support character, but I won't ever get to try out what I want unless I have have a STRONG ranged AD carry that I know and would be willing to solo bot vs 2 AND a strong jungler that I could work with that has a decent amt of dmg output. 

Anyway, someday maybe I'll figure that out.  In the meantime, I think I'm going to retire my ali training account. 

Pffff

Play Alistar as a jungler in solo queue, then you will get that sense of overwhelming domination, though, of course, your team will need to help your ganks... AND you will have to get over your anti-junglerness...

:/

on Mar 21, 2012

Just got through a 3v5, it was almost an even game.  We manage to maintain a kill advantage even after top and jungle went byebye, just couldn't quite get them aced.

 

If I'd been Shen instead of Kayle, we'd have won.

on Mar 21, 2012

Tough loss for a group of us last night...That Jarvan was boss. Janna and MF were on top of their game bot plus I had a slow start. All things considered, we should have won. We were actually about 1 second short of winning. Thems the breaks.

on Mar 21, 2012

We could have held out in last nights game if we didn't have the DC right as I was running in to contest baron.  We would have had to turtle, but it wasnt a loss and we would have won eventually probably.  But going 4v5 when they have baron at that stage of the game is an auto loss.

But anyway, that game does bring up a good thing to remember - generally don't go for dragon that late in the game when baron is up.  They can usually take baron before you can run from drag to baron and get set up properly.

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