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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

Comments (Page 26)
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on Mar 10, 2012

What is your friends name?

 And at decent ELO, everybody knows to check your own red to make sure that Shaco doesn't start there.  I have the feeling that this guy does great with Shaco at like 1000 ELO and thinks he is all that, but would get crushed at higher ELOs. 

on Mar 10, 2012

just watched an excellent live match.  dignitas vs m5.  M5 just crushed. 

m5 had some crazy roaming with ali and lee sin (jungle).  Urgot was solo bot about 70% of the game vs corki and janna.  And he held is own really well.  Ali was able to roam and provide ward destroy/ drop support for urgot.  And ali + lee sin roaming  = holy crap.  So much cc.  They ganked mid over and over. 

Positioning and wards was huge.  After a bit, dignitas knew NOTHING much about the map with all wards getting destroyed, while m5 knew everything with wards all about.

on Mar 10, 2012

Krazikarl
What is your friends name?

 And at decent ELO, everybody knows to check your own red to make sure that Shaco doesn't start there.  I have the feeling that this guy does great with Shaco at like 1000 ELO and thinks he is all that, but would get crushed at higher ELOs. 

Olaallppl

he has a billion games but no ELO

not really the best player

no map awareness

but he's a good Shaco

I'll give him that

on Mar 10, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun

Quoting Krazikarl, reply 376What is your friends name?

 And at decent ELO, everybody knows to check your own red to make sure that Shaco doesn't start there.  I have the feeling that this guy does great with Shaco at like 1000 ELO and thinks he is all that, but would get crushed at higher ELOs. 

Olaallppl

he has a billion games but no ELO

not really the best player

no map awareness

but he's a good Shaco

I'll give him that

Lol, he has a 51% winning percentage with Shaco in ranked.  I'm sorry, but NA's best Shaco is going to win a bit more than 51% of the time at sub 1200 ELO.  Also, his KDA with Shaco is right around 2.0, which is really bad, especially for somebody like Shaco, who is a big time finisher of kills.  People aren't banning Shaco because some guy at sub 1200 ELO manages to win 51% of his games with Shaco, while holding down a downright bad KDA.

Also, his max kills on Shaco is 19, so he never went 26/2 in ranked. 

 

 

on Mar 10, 2012

Shaco isn't banned because he is op. He is banned because you cannot trust teamates to not feed him. :/ Also the trapping wraith bush is really gimmicky and can be countered by having top watch top river and having mid watch wraith riven path with bot AD leashing or Support watching wraith river path and AD watch bot river with mid leashing. Shaco now has 0 paths to get into you red jungle what do? Oh right nothing because his level 1 sucks and all he has is gank potential as a jungler.

on Mar 10, 2012

I dare say it... I have actually learned how to use my items that require pressing buttons to activate abilities... crazy world.

on Mar 10, 2012

Deathfire Grasp is my favorite item, and when I'm trolling I build it first...

so silly

 

 

anyhow

Olaallppl is... bad... I don't want to say that, because he is my friend, but he has 0 map awareness, his strategies are very selfish, and he seems to have grown bored with LoL in spite of his almost continual playing of it....

 

(I'm also going to say right here that I am not perfect, but at least I don't run into an area where there is obviously an entire team hiding, such as I have seen my friend do multiple times)

 

Shaco is his best champ, and maybe my example was a Normal game, but I doubt it, as he always plays Ranked unless he wants to play with me or something...

He knows a bunch of strategy, but I have as of yet not seen him employ it...

Unless he gets shut down early, he gets first blood every game as Shaco... (which, I am aware, is not necessarily a good indicator of skill, but he usually does pretty well)

I dunno

I still haven't seen a good (or even acceptable, 100% of all games I have played with Shacos have ended with them feeding, and btw, I have never played a game with my friend as Shaco) Shaco other than him and a replay of saintvicious, and I watch pro streams almost continually...

as a very helpful Karma build guide put it: "95% of all Shaco players are just bad, and so when I see a Shaco on my team, I instantly dodge queue"

I don't dodge queue, but I brace for a loss when I see a Shaco lock in on my team...

 

I can't play jungle well, and as such I have little idea of the true differences between bad and good and pro junglers other than lane presence, and Olaallppl has strong lane and jungle presence with Shaco...

 

oh well, it still boggles me how bad people can be in LoL

do they not even try? Is there a mental deficiency present in like 80% of the world's population that makes them incapable of playing LoL? Nothing peeves me as much as someone who won't listen to pings and chat requests and then proceeds to rage afterwards about "why no mia, noobs" or my personal favorite, "dis team" as if it was everyone elses' fault...

on Mar 11, 2012

The worst are typically the last to know they suck...  It's further reinforced because they know this too, they assume you just don't know it was all your fault they couldn't 1v5 the enemy team in their own jungle.

 

Another day, another perfect game.  Followed, as I predicted, by another spectacular loss with a team that had no clue.  Naturally, I got most of the credit since I was the support for an incompetent team that couldn't kill anything.

on Mar 11, 2012

Man QSS hardcounters Veigar soooo much.

on Mar 11, 2012

Had 4 insanely boring 20 minute wins today. 3 of them didn't even make it past lane phase. I would have taken a single 1 hour close loss over ALL of them combined. Not a fun night.

on Mar 12, 2012

I wish I had your 4 insanely boring 20 minute wins.  I'm going to fall below 1100 if I keep getting trolled.  Double jungle, both of them sucked, and mid was just as bad.

 

The Ashe I was supporting bot wasn't bad, but you can't get anywhere with not bad and three feeders...

on Mar 12, 2012

Man, I can't wait for level 30

so I can play Ranked games and get trolled...

on Mar 12, 2012

There is something significant about these scores...

can you tell what it is?

I love Ziggs, so fun, and he's easy to stomp noobs with too!

 

EDIT: Now I just need to get that 1 down to 0...

hmmmm

on Mar 12, 2012

heh... I've been doing next to nothing but playing alistar on an alt account... sigh.  i'm a strange bird, methinks.  Pretty sure I'd have half a chance in hell playing at level 30 with him.  Getting much better though.

on Mar 12, 2012

Man, I actually had a bad Ziggs in a game last week.  Even worse, the tards on the team that spent the whole game bitching at him were saying he has no CC and is a terrible pick for ranked.

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