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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 09, 2012

Good interview from Chauster about counters.

http://www.ign.com/ipl/tv?screens=chauster-interview-counter-to-everything%28vod%29&f=all&p=new

Most interesting is how he's going off on people dogmatically sticking with the meta (eg AD carry + support bot) and he suggests that 2 tanky characters completely counter that.

Chauster can say what he wants, but he plays bot lane, and in every competitive match CLG plays classic bot lane combos.  This last tournament he was playing Ali, Janna, Nunu, and Leona, which are all classic bot lane partners to his AD carry that was also bot. 

In any case, the reason that people don't switch things up in solo queue is because its simply not practical to try out new strategies in that environment.  To switch up your lane assignments in a huge way requires that EVERYBODY on your team be on the same page from the first pick on, and thats hard to do in a pickup game with strangers.  Especially since its very hard to get everybody to agree to something in the 30 seconds that you have before picks.

The bottom line is that the current meta works as well as everything, and it guarantees that everybody is on the same page from the first pick on.  This ability for the whole team to be on the same page is just too large an advantage to pass up. 

on Mar 09, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun
you are balanced throughout all stages of the game and removing one piece shouldn't make you fall flat on your face...

and that's why I disagree with Chauster

don't flame me for disagreeing with a pro

I dont know how familiar you are with pre European metas, but just because you double tank bot doesn't mean that you have to do those other lane assignments that you mention.  It used to be common to fill one solo lane with an AD carry and the other with an AP Carry.  Plus, with the weaker jungle, you can jungle a lot of carries if you want. 

Also, remember that a lot of off tanks can carry.  I don't know if you remember the Tanky DPS meta, but it used to be fairly common to run 4 tanky DPS and 1 AP carry, and frankly it works.  People like, WW, Jax, Irelia etc all classify as offtanks, but they can carry if needed.

Finally, at high level, you generally can't take down enemy carries if they go that heavily into control.  A lot of pro teams can go with 1 hyper carry and just protect them well, and even another pro team can't kill the hyper carry.  Kog is somebody who is commonly used in this way.  Proper tanking and carry positioning will generally trump any level of desire that the other team has to kill a carry. 

on Mar 09, 2012

tetleytea
So, you like LoL?   Gamespot gave it a 6.0 out of 10, and users gave it an 8.3.  It was never even on my radar.  But if they're having a tournament over it at SXSW, that puts LoL in the same league as SCII.  I'll need to take another look.  I'll probably be talking to the publishers today, actually.
Gamestop is an incredibly corrupt company and the rating looks like it was put there because gamestop doesn't like them. The one thing I will tell you if you give LoL a go stick it out levels 1-30 are complete hell because of smurfs and you will probably hate it. Two things actually. If a teamate is harrassing you in chat just bring up the score menu and hit the mute button next to their name. Will make you have a lot more fun.

on Mar 09, 2012

You know that Gamespot and Gamestop are not the same thing, right?   Anyway, if you go over to my thread "Hey, I actually like Civ V", I actually regret NOT listening to Gamespot on that one.   It was the exact opposite situation.   Critical reviews are definitely not the be-all, end-all, but we at least need something to go by before plunking down our money. 

 

About SXSW, holy cow, that is a totally happening place.  The video gaming part of it is like 3 times more than it was last year.  Halo Master Chief was walking around in costume (I should post my cell phone pics of this online).  Lots of hot girls.  Though you wouldn't actually date them--it's like they are employed by marketing to appeal to teenage boys.  And I really like the pros playing live tournaments on the big screen, and then the winner gets to be interviewed by the emcee, who is...of course...a really hot girl who probably never laid a finger on a PS3 controller in her life.  I look forward to watching the Starcraft II tourney--for the game, of course.  No, really--I'd like to improve my game.

on Mar 09, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun
toplane: offtank

midlane: AP or AD carry

Jungle: tank or offtank

Botlane: tank

Botlane: tank

or ranged ad carry top... like an urgot... with an AP carry mid.

on Mar 09, 2012

tetleytea
You know that Gamespot and Gamestop are not the same thing, right? Anyway, if you go over to my thread "Hey, I actually like Civ V", I actually regret NOT listening to Gamespot on that one. It was the exact opposite situation. Critical reviews are definitely not the be-all, end-all, but we at least need something to go by before plunking down our money.

Gamespot's review was way off at release.

You played the game much later when it was greatly improved.  The game was just really really bad at release when Gamespot reviewed it.  The AI was incredibly stupid (to the point where I won on the next to highest difficultly level in my second game), the pacing was way off, the economy was just broken.  It was a pile, and most player reviews that you would see were for the game as it was at release, since thats when most people tried it.

It's much better now. 

on Mar 09, 2012

tetleytea
Though you wouldn't actually date them--it's like they are employed by marketing to appeal to teenage boys.

heh - there's a restaurant in texas called bone daddys.  Best BBQ I've ever had.  Did I mention they only hire models as waitresses that are either a 9 or a 10?  Pretty sure they make a little money from businessmen and folks seem to stay a little longer having more and more beer. 

That said, you are probably right in a few cases at least. 

on Mar 09, 2012

I bought Civ 5 because it looked like something I would enjoy. I also bought M&B Warband which was rated like a 70 something on the site I looked at and it is one of the best games I have ever played. I might just be biased against reviewers, but I honestly (almost) never listen to them.

 

edit: and I was half asleep when I wrote Gamestop. The only thing I like about gamespot are their strategy guides sections. for getting those little things you would miss otherwise.

 

edit2: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1899194 these skins won't be for sale anymore after this. They are all getting 75% off until they are shelved so if you want any you should hurry. Monday is when they will be gone.

on Mar 09, 2012

Just had an AMAZING game as xerath with a great team.  These folks were spot on.  Not only did we deny their team blue THE ENTIRE GAME, but we pretty much had me as xerath perma casting with non stop blues.  It's actually pretty interesting, tbh.  Or bot ending up caving in pretty early, but the main strategy was MAD counter jungling and deny kass or swain infinite mana.  To be fair, their kass wasn't exactly good and I completely anhilated him at least once for doing something idiotic.  Anyway, I think I ended something like 11/2/9 or so.  I was super impressed by my teams jungler.  Extremely skilled imo.

You can grab the replay here.  http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/289810/

It's worth watching for the counter jungling at the very least.  Seriously

edit - more comments as I just rewatched it.  I played ok.  Nothing super amazing.  A few misses here.  Decent map awareness.  The stars, imo, were our jungle and our support nautius.  He kept warding the enemy blue over and over and had good awareness.  And we was getting worked over from time to time bot.  But he stuck with it and kept being a solid support.

edit edit - re: retired skins - I don't think its that big a deal.  I'd wager they will bring them back at some point... just a silly ploy for money... not like they are lacking server space for finished skins..

on Mar 10, 2012

I bought the Cho'Gath skin, just cuz I had 150 RP lying around...

I wanna see your replay pacov...

please post it!

Who was your jungler, btw? That sounds like a hyper-Shyvana or Shaco game...

I am a big fan of support nautilus, and that's how I played him for his free week. He's the only support I've played so far who hasn't bored me...

they have a Soraka sitting in those bushes? Pop an Anchor and a Riptide and they really have no chance of escaping.

Support Nautilus really helps support bursty champs, and I prefer Talon as a laning partner, but I've had good games with a Tristana as well...

2/6/24 Naut (Talon)

3/3/16 Naut (Talon)

2/1/10 Naut (Tristana)

0/12/34 Naut (Tristana)

0/4/10 Naut (Graves)

I've also had quite a bit more luck with Support Nautilus than Jungle Nautilus... I dunno, maybe I'm just not ever going to be a good jungler...

:/

 

 

on Mar 10, 2012

LoL tournament screencast today at noon-4pm central US time.  http://www.ign.com/ipl .   I plan on being there late for the finals, and I'll take some pictures.  Really I want to sit in on the Starcraft II tourney, which is just after.   Funny thing is, the weather in Austin today SUCKS.  Yet I have never seen a turnout like this. 

on Mar 10, 2012

KrdaxDrkrun
I wanna see your replay pacov...

please post it!

Just did... didn't notice that I never posted the link.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/289810/

 

on Mar 10, 2012

Can't find the sxsw stream.. watching this though.. http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_event

 

on Mar 10, 2012

thanks!

on Mar 10, 2012

a good Shyvana is always crazy

 

slightly off topic, have any of you ever seen a good Shaco?

I have a friend who claims to be the best Shaco in NA (I cannot tell)

 

and he's quite fun to watch

as he starts in his opponent's jungle by stealing their red or buff and then proceeding to trap their jungler when they go for wraiths, just royally screwing them over

and finishes RANKED games with scores like 26/2/1

 

unfortunately for him, he's not quite as good with other champs

and Shaco is always banned in Ranked

he also claims that Shaco is always banned because of everyone elses' fear of him

hahahaha

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