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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Mar 12, 2012

If anyone has any random desire to start a new account and learn or just play as ranged ad carries, let me know.  I have an account that I play 100% of the time as alistar.  I'm not amazing, but am much improved.  Anyway, here's an exciting referral link for my alt.  Please use it if you want to group with me.  I'm not looking to stomp folks, just to get better with a support/ occasionally roaming ali.  I think I'm about a level 8 now.  Anyway, if you want to create a new one, here you go: 

http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4f5ebbccc391c282150296

If you already have a low level account that you'd like to practice ranged ad carries, just add ICheesusCrustI as a pal and either reply here or shoot me a pm.  Watching 1 game with the m5 folks super inspired me to work on ali.  My magical ideal is a lee sin jungler and any ranged AD that can hold their own bot while I assist jungling.  Barring that (as in that probably won't happen outside of an arranged team), I'm just working on support ali.  Eg my ad carry gets all the gold and I protect + ward as appropriate and roam from time to time when there is an opportunity with a weakened mid or a stupid jungler. 

Side note - The game I mentioned with m5 was freaking brilliant.  M5 was the team on the top of the map.  They immediately gave their urgot (solo bot) blue buff.  He managed to hold off janna and corki very well.  Ali just popped in to make sure there were wards placed for urgot.  Then, ali roamed with CV and assisted the crap out of lee sin (eg he was running right by lee sin and would cover him as needed).  This is only possible with a solid solo bot (eg blue buff was pretty much needed for him).  Anyway, Ali and lee sin ganked mid over and over. Eventually ali got oracles + more wards kept clearing out any map awareness the other team could have... along with randomly threatening bot.

I love the competitive side of gaming. How cool is it to get cheers when you gank someone!  Anyway, if you want to join me in the learning curve, add me there.  Otherwise I'm going to keep playing more and more with ALI.   Sadly, I can't do any of this stuff ranked on a level 30 account as I really need 3 players (strong jungle and strong solo bot... I don't know anyone else that is as strong as me as urgot and I'm not amazing.  I bet a cait could hold strong bot vs 2.... (looks at zen).  Urgot with blue is safer, but a cait with blue could do it as well.  Can't think of many other ranged ad carries that could do it safely though. 

on Mar 13, 2012

psychoak
Man, I actually had a bad Ziggs in a game last week.  Even worse, the tards on the team that spent the whole game bitching at him were saying he has no CC and is a terrible pick for ranked.

OH heck

I'm gonna play Ziggs in Ranked

they're kinda right, he doesn't have CC per se... Save his W, which can be used as one of the best ranged CCs ever, but it's all skill and timing, and I haven't quite gotten it down...

but his stoppage power is pure damage, his AP ratios are stunning, including his passive, if you can manage a full combo hit, I think that his AP ratio is upwards of 5.0 times your AP amounts, and what's worse, is that 90% of his damage is AoE, so when noobs get into groups for teamfights, I get Quadra kills!

The other thing about Ziggs is positioning, his escape is meh, but his range is stupidly good, so zoning other AP mids is easy, the ONE mistake most Ziggs players make is getting caught out of position.

Stay back and you'll dominate.

on Mar 13, 2012

@Pacov

I was kind of thinking of making a smurf actually. I'm finding it more fun to just play around these days than stagnating on solo queue. I will use your referral link when I get around to making the account (possibly tonight)

edit: play around isn't what I really mean. Learning specific roles is important to me too.

on Mar 13, 2012

All good.  I'll likely be playing some tonight as well, so create account and pick yourself an AD carry.  We'll have some fun.

on Mar 13, 2012

Oh - and from what I've seen, everyone now automatically gets 400 RP (yes - rp) after their first game.  I ran through the tutorial and you no longer get a bunch of IP like you did originally... but they give you some sort of IP boost so that you get IP at a faster rate.  I think you'll have your choice of graves or kog on the free list of bot lane carries.  Anyway, add me a pal once you are setup. 

on Mar 13, 2012

Ezreal

just tried him out and immediately decided that he's my AD carry...

First Game: defeat: 12/10/19 - ah well, bad team

Victory:11/2/12

Victory: 7/4/11

 

heeheehee

need moar games before conclusive evidence is drawn

on Mar 13, 2012

Good to know. Thanks Pacov. I enjoy Kog.

on Mar 13, 2012

np

Ez is alot of fun with decent utility.  His ult is a load of fun when you pull off a solid hit.  I don't think he sees a ton of play in ranked for some reason or another - certainly fun to play tho.

edit - re: creating a new account, don't forget that you can also get trist for free by liking on facebook.  There's a link in the OP.  She's actually a pretty solid ad carry for bot as well.

on Mar 13, 2012

aragornV = thebrobro123?

online now anyway

on Mar 13, 2012

Had some fun games... was a bit odd, though.  At a low level, I'm extremely lucky if I can even get a ranged character to go bot with me.  If I do, its fun.  Then, at the lower levels, I also end up with setups where there is not team or enemy jungler... this means I save money on wards, but have to forgo the build a little.  Anyway, I think I had about 1 game tonight with an enemy jungler where I was setup with a ranged AD carry.  Me and trist did very well.  Alot of its just hit and miss though.  I think I've had maybe 1 semi decent game out of the last 20... and maybe 5 where I had a ranged AD carry with me and there was an enemy jungle (eg what I'm trying to get good at).

Anyway, if you suck with casting active abilities, I strongly suggest trying to play some support ALI.  I literally cannot wait every game until I get my shuelias reverie (speed bump active).  With that, no one can get away from me as I run with boots of mobility.  Anyway, as ali's job is to tank.support, and force the enemy into locations they'd rather not be in (the way I play him anyway), using shuelias is a must.  Once I get it, though... oh... the pain.  Very easy for me to remember to press X button to get that speed burst. 

on Mar 14, 2012

That's me yeah. I played a few games. It was really strange at the super low level. I was playing Sivir but I'm not very good with her. I will probably buy Ashe as soon as I have enough IP. Will try and catch you tonight.

on Mar 14, 2012

Good stuff.  You might be able to just buy ash with the 400 RP you should ahve received.  Personally, I'd recommend given trist a go - she's a freebie that you get for following riot on facebook.  Very solid with her range with a solid and/or aggressive support. 

 

on Mar 14, 2012

I did try and get Tristana. I had already previously liked Riot on Facebook and it re-liking didn't seem to work properly. I'll try it again. Did you have success with it twice?

on Mar 14, 2012

AragornV
I did try and get Tristana. I had already previously liked Riot on Facebook and it re-liking didn't seem to work properly. I'll try it again. Did you have success with it twice?

You need a diff facebook account.  Same thing for getting ali on youtube.   I figured you probably had to use a diff email account when you setup your alt LoL account... no idea though.

Anyway, just great a diff fb account and then you should be able to get trist w/o a prob.

on Mar 14, 2012

With how cheap they are, it's only a few games to get the IP to buy one of those too.  The daily victory bonus will get you halfway there.

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