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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Apr 23, 2014

You can try to dig up the vid if you want, karl.  I think you are missing the point if you are feeling an overwhelming need to try to prove me wrong here.  I've also clearly stated that folks can expect less goofy arse split pushing from me and explained the entirety of my reasoning behind that particular decision. 

also - shut it, rui. 

on Apr 23, 2014

Larger scope comment:

Many of us criticize each other's play.  Thats fine.  In fact, Pacov might be the single most critical player of other people's play.  That's also fine.

The problem here is that Pacov wants to be really critical of other's play, but can be sensitive of criticism toward his own play.  This is a problem.  If you want to criticize me for being too passive in making a dragon call and missing a dragon, I should have a right to be able to analyze things if you repeatedly get overaggressive on dragon calls and get your team wiped.

I know that Hedgie and myself can be very critical of other people's play.  But, we are generally willing to get into reasonable, rational discussions of the situation without taking things personally and going on tilt for several games.

If getting into critical discussions like this is going to get you bent out of shape, I think that it is only fair that you stop being critical toward others.  I do not think that it is fair that you get to criticize everybody else while expecting little to no criticism in return.

 

So, my general thought is essentially the golden rule - be as critical toward others as you want them to be critical toward you.  If you don't want us picking at your gameplay, you shouldn't pick at what your own teammates do, and we will generally lay off you.  For my part, I will try and be mindful of what you are doing and match my level of criticism to what is fair and appropriate.

on Apr 23, 2014

I've also clearly stated that folks can expect less goofy arse split pushing from me and explained the entirety of my reasoning behind that particular decision. 

Well, the problem is that I disagree with the premises of your decision (for example, I don't think we were under siege, as I recall, we didn't even have vision of the vast majority of their team).  It's not an issue of proving somebody right and wrong - if two people can't agree on the premises of a discussion, there can be no discussion since there is no foundation on which to base any reasoning.

on Apr 23, 2014

you guy´s like ww in jungle?he was op but with feral is insane is hard counter him, yesterday got 75 stcks late game, and with my build i kill malphite with util and 1 autoatack is insane got triple kill vs 4 is real insane feral in ww

on Apr 23, 2014

Here's something cool for thosed that dig teambuilder

https://twitter.com/RiotBlackrook/status/459059745416937472

 

on Apr 23, 2014

Wait.  There was a ranked team?  Now I'm upset.

on Apr 24, 2014

Happy birthday, swan.  hue

Krazikarl
if two people can't agree on the premises of a discussion, there can be no discussion since there is no foundation on which to base any reasoning.

mmkay.

So, less dramatic jibba jabba today.

Anyone have thoughts on the new feral flare.  I've only been able to play 1 game as a jungler that uses FF since the patch went in (the change is a price increase and it takes 30 stacks to get the ff upgrade vs 25 stacks).  When you look at the numbers, its not a huge nerf, but at least in the game I played, it certainly felt like a colossal nerf.  In all... literally all of my previous trynd games, I'd be able to get the ff upgrade locked down and in place pretty quickly (exact time of the upgrade elludes me, but I'd always have wriggles built by about 6 minutes) and then always lock down that 1st dragon solo.  I that most recent game, I have a bit of a set back early in the jungle and it substantially reduced my effectiveness and it took a really, really long time to get the ff upgrade in place.  Anyway, not 100% sure it was just a bad game or the nerf pretty strong... I can just say the nerf was extremely painful after getting counter jungled a smidge. Anyone have thoughts or feedback re: the new FF?

I got to play rammus last night, which was fun, Well.. fun to a point.  I had to jungle against this annoying, but somewhat dumb, kayle.  She spent an awful amount of time trying to track me down in the jungle with minimal effect.  I couldn't really fight her heads up, so I'd just bugger off a sec, then smite whatever she was trying to steal... then wait around a few seconds and clear the camp once she buggered off.  Her crappy counter jungling was probably more valuable to us as we generally had a good idea where she was.  That said, I really dislike not have junglers I can go put the smack down on them.  With rammus, I'm literally like ok and run away a bit.  Rammus feels super weak early/mid (missed ganks = OUCH) - stronger ofc if you pull them off.  That said, it is oh so satisfying to flash while in ball form, jump a creep wave, and taunt an enemy champ. 

Oh - and sorry about your net problems last night, hedgie.  That sucks and I know is super frustrating.  Hopefully whatever the problem is abates some for ya!

 

on Apr 24, 2014

Oh - and out of respect for folks that followed and contributed to the conversation - I went back and watched the vid.  I did remember a few things wrong.  I'm not looking to start back some debate, but just want to clear up a few things factually.

There was no siege at mid - I remembered that wrong.  Brad and I went to bot lane and cleared 1-2 waves.  Our nasus was stealing the enemy red.  Brad pulled back to join the team (making 3 people together at mid, nasus at enemy red, me bot lane) while I continued on.  Nasus spots a few at mid and pings that he's going in - calling for the team to charge mid to pinch whoever was there (at this point it would have been impossible for me to get there in time because Nasus saw a small opening and chose to go direct).  Our guys fight mid a bit (don't remember if nasus got killed or what.  I continue the split push and get the tower.  I get killed after that by nautilus/graves.  The rest of the team gets picked off mid about 30 seconds later resulting in a rotation to baron.  Anyway, I believe that's a pretty accurate account.  I still maintain that my play didn't cost the team baron, but I also added this:

All that said, no, I don't think you'll be seeing me split push a ton as support - you've seen me do it a few times and I get that folks dislike it. I think my tendency to split like that in a role like support will fade off even more once I cycle through my trynd phase.

on Apr 25, 2014

So... dbl IP weekend.  I kind of don't care... might put some time in on my alt account.  Guess I can always buy the remaining crap runes on my main.  Nice they are doing another one of these weekends though.

 

Back to feral flare - I'm still feeling like the nerf may have been a bit over the top - granted I've only played jungle twice now with it since the stat changes... and both games didn't go exceedingly well early/mid.  So... guess I'm not really sure, but its been a chore to get all those stacks. 

on Apr 25, 2014

i get 30 stack to activate feral on 15:56 normally,usual after that i get in all game 40 stack more, and in ww is insane in  jax to xin i dn´t like is not so powerful as ww and jax

on Apr 25, 2014

55 stacks feral open fight nasus and elise solo 2 kill´s

on Apr 26, 2014

3-0 in ranked tonight.  Playing with riot iron stylus now.  check stream

on Apr 26, 2014


3-0 in ranked tonight.  Playing with riot iron stylus now.  check stream

 

Its always fun to play with well known members of the community !

on Apr 26, 2014

Like Kaceytron Cow?

on Apr 26, 2014

Thundercles

Like Kaceytron Cow?

LOL

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