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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on May 02, 2014

2 golden UTH

on May 02, 2014

Thundercles
Congrats man!  What was your loot after if I may ask?

A pack, a bit over 300 gold, plus a useless golden common card.  A lot of people aren't too pleased about the whole golden common thing when they win 12 from what I understand - they think it should be at least a rare.

on May 02, 2014

Krazikarl


Quoting Thundercles, reply 4890Congrats man!  What was your loot after if I may ask?

A pack, a bit over 300 gold, plus a useless golden common card.  A lot of people aren't too pleased about the whole golden common thing when they win 12 from what I understand - they think it should be at least a rare.

 

I have had similar winnings at 10 and 11 wins. I was under the impression you would get 2 packs like it used to be for 9 wins. I guess Blizzard is getting really skimpy with the rewards.

on May 02, 2014

Curse voice banned.  No penalty if you use it atm

 

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=46870550#46870550

 

 

 

on May 03, 2014

Lol, I actually did get golden UTH as a reward for an Arena run later on.  And yes, Blizzard really has gotten stingy with Arena rewards.  I won 9 games on my last run tonight, and I got 155 gold, 20 dust, the pack, and the golden common.  That is not good.

on May 03, 2014

well crap... turns out brad wong's real name is br-eye-ff... head explodes

on May 03, 2014

Doing a little experiment.  Trying the LAN server.  From what I've been hearing, folks in Ohio are getting 30-40 ping vs typically 100-120.  Patching now - going to create an account and give it a go a smidge and see what the difference is/how it feels. 

on May 03, 2014

hmm... couldn't register a new account - reg form just gives errors - tried in ie/ff.  No idea.  Some sort of region block? 

on May 04, 2014

k - got my Latin america north acct. Tried at least 20 times.. finally went through - no idea

 

That said - late night observations.  I had to play 2 games vs bots as it was a bran new account.

 

1 - ping was 40-50 vs what I get here in the US (90-110 -100 avg).

2 - played adc vs bots -I didn't notice much difference (but I am a bit tired)

3 - played ap vs bots - noticed a HUGE difference due to ping.  Like, no joke.  I was missing AA after AA (not on creeps, on champs).  You have a small window of time to land a quick AA for trades and then back up.  Bad example, but here's an example - riven uses her dash, but not to close on you.  You know you can safely AA her at least once, so you move in to AA her.  You might back off after winning that short trade or continue.  Well, the lag difference for me meant that I was slightly off with when I'd move in and back off.  Was kind of a big deal as I was playing TF - so landing that AA meant hitting a flow up, etc.  Well, I missed a bunch because my character reacted faster than I was used to (so I'd pull back before I'd actually hit). 

This is actually the main thing I was thinking about with regards to lower latency.  If I can process the information at the same speed but receive the information faster than another person, I am at an advantage.  This is why same character pacov at 110 ping should lose to same character pacov at 50 ping.  That means that 50 ping pacov has an added advantage over folks at higher ping - and then you factor in skill level. 

 

Anyway, that's a late night example, but I might move one of my level 30 alt accounts over to LAN and do nothing but ranked and see how that goes...

re: LAN as a whole, though - it is really difficult to understand the shop, etc.  Everything is in Spanish so I literally have to go on memory for what i pick - that gets more challenging if I'm building a rune page from scratch anyway.  Honestly, not sure why you can't have things in english by clicking on a drop down.   I don't think I'm willing to level up an account from scratch though - I really like the rune buying aspect/mastery setup when I level up an acct.  I get none of that on LAN due to lang barrier.

on May 04, 2014

I doubt any of you will be quite so nerdy as me, but I found a way to see everything in the LAN client in English.  Pretty simple change.  I wrote a batch to make it happen quickly - use if you like:  https://app.box.com/s/gexl4b88c7zjuu9gk5o4

 

on May 04, 2014

#LAN:

i have a few questions about what you're trying to achieve by transferring to LAN.

 

Ping:

Although it's true that most challengers do have < 50 ms ping, that isn't unilaterally true. Quas got to Challenger while playing in Venezula with like a 150 ms ping. Nightblue3 is like 5th in challenger and has like 90 ms ping. (he's also a jungler and i'd argue junglers generally have less requirements for high performance ping because it's not like blue buff is going to flash ignite them level 2. The only ping-critical stuff they do is mostly flash ganking or baron smiting but baron smiting can be played around with good teamwork).

Also, there's a reason LAN has such mysteriously good ping. It's because the servers are actually in South Florida, and they are planning on (eventually) moving it somewhere else, i think. So any time you spend on LAN could quickly become wasted...

Plus, if you're swapping between two pings... your overall skill might degrade. Being in "NA mode" in LAN or "LAN mode" in NA is going to be more detrimental than the 30-40 ms that you're saving.

 

Matchmaking:

MM in LAN is notoriously bad. i know that they actually had to shut down ranked after like 2 AM because the matchmaker would pit teams of Challengers against Bronze. i'm not sure that sort of matchmaking is a good place for you (or anyone) to improve skill-wise and have a fun, not frustrating experience.

 

And i guess i'm not sure what you're trying to prove? i know that LAN has the stereotype of being inferior players. i'm not sure how true that is... but people in general do tend to be pretty critical of weaker players on their team making dumb decisions. Some of us can really get put on tilt by it and even if you achieved Challenger in LAN, i'm just not really sure how well that compares to NA?

And what if you get stuck in Gold in LAN. Oh the shame.

on May 04, 2014

Re: Ping

I have the same situation as Pacov where I'm around 100 at home and about 45 when I was visiting my folks last time in San Diego.  I didn't play too much when I was over there last, but when I did it was kinda significant the difference.  The main thing for me was that there weren't any "Huh?  I coulda swore I got my Ignite off." moments.  I used to look at my unused abilities after dying in a team fight and think that I was CC'd or something when I pressed those buttons, but after that trip I realized that some commands just get kinda lost to the lag so to speak.

It was discouraging at first but then I just decided that I was never going to be able to use champs like Lee Sin to their full ability, no matter how much I practice.  That doesn't mean I just have to play Garen every game, there are a lot of other high skill cap champs that are rewarding to play and don't require complex keystroke combinations to play effectively.   IMO normal laning mechanics aren't effected that much by ping and they're not as important as overall decision making.

on May 04, 2014

I've played with some range of pings over time, and it makes some difference, but its not that huge of a deal.  If you are trying to move from say Silver I to Gold V (cough), games are won and lost on gross mistakes well outside of anything that ping is going to do to you.  Sure, ping might start to become a big deal if you get into the higher Diamonds or something, but I wouldn't make too big a deal about it at Gold/Plat/low Diamond.

on May 04, 2014

re: LAN as a whole - well - if they are actually moving the servers somewhere and that will result in worse ping, then well sheet... def time wasted.  Here's my full thought process on why though.

Read article awhile back indicating that most challenger level players have low ping - 50 ms <.  Seems there is an obvious correlation between rank and ping.  Stands to reason ping adv does make a pretty big difference.  From my time in Demigod, I know full well how much a difference low ping and 200 ping can make in potential reaction time.  Same diff with LoL.  I already see some differences between what you can pull of mid and I assume that will carry over to ALL roles - including smiting as a jungler, but certainly less visible in that role. 

Now, if you are telling me the servers are going to move, then I probably won't move an account over there.  I might... because I have like 5 lol accounts and the cost to move isn't all that crazy for me anyway.  Then I could actually see how much of a difference it makes.  I just view it as an experiment and something I find interesting.  I don't think the experiment will reveal me to be the best player in the world who is simply held back by ping... nor is that what I'm looking for.  I'm just curious how big a deal the ping difference will make. 

I think it could backfire a smidge as I get used to the timing changes with the lower ping ofc.  But  again, that's another little nerd experiment. 

 

Anyway, my ranked 5's team is meeting tonight at 7PM to try out our last adc replacement mimi.  I think we are going to decide on that and then shake things up a bit with the team. 

 

 

 

on May 04, 2014

well i looked around and i guess even though the LAN servers are hosted in Florida, they were actually talking amount moving the BR servers. Which used to be hosted in Florida as well but are now hosted in Brazil.

Since LAN is for Venezula, Mexico, and the Caribean i don't think they'll actually be moving LAN to say Mexico...

i mean if you have a cheap ~level 30 smurf you haven't spent any money on ... transferring it over to LAN might be fine because worst case you lose 20 bucks.

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